Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Perkin Warbeck, Nov 19, 2023.
Nono, he said "enters the ring". Fury won't come near the middle east on fight night.
It's a valid point you raise.
Last time we had a HW champion this but it was Wladimir and opponents never got a fair shake with the ref. Allowing him to hold and foul throughout the fight without reprieve.
That being said I don't think lax refereeing is the reason Wlad beat Haye and I don't think lax refereeing will be the difference for Fury Vs Usyk
Lol have you seen the height of Fury’s shorts?
None of what you said changed the fact that the initial shot was below the naval. Anyone calling a pro boxer a coward online also has 0 credibility.
I agree with you and wrote above that this also is valid for fury who appears to use the same trick .
I also agree with you that we all should return to a constructive discussion , currently some topics spiral out of control .
The only reason I would have liked to see it continue is so that Fury could have sparked him out cold.
You are a very decent and balanced poster, there is no doubt in that. But leaning is not of part of Boxing. Clinching maybe, but there is a rule specifically for that, aka excessive clinching is fouling and should be penalized with point deduction after the second warning.
And what Fury is doing lately is exactly excessive clinching, and using it as a strat.
And holding, leaning, hitting while holding is also illegal. And Fury does all of that.
On top of that you cannot hit with an open glove, which Fury has done that + constant rabbit punches in a lot of his matches. He is one of the dirtiest Boxer in the game, there is no doubt in that.
In any other sports his fouls would be called, but Boxing is beyond corrupt, aka for the "right" guy we completely forget the rules and will close eyes for his cheating.
There also a blatant 100% intentional elbow against Ngannou, that should have lead to at least 1-2 point deduction.
It's one thing to land an unintentional one, where you could get away with warning or point deduct, but this was 100% intentional one with full power on it.
To be fair this is the only question mark i have over this fight. Aka Fury to get either a b.c. decision, where he clearly lost the fight or the refs to allows him to get away literally with a murder.
If the ref is not completely biased towards Fury, Usyk is going to school and KO him i have zero doubt about that.
Hi congregation. It was really surprising to see you appearing here in the first five posts. Definitely unexpected
Stay pressed, boys. I’m really looking forward to 18th February. The forum will be cleansed of you Furyettes as you will be all hiding in shame, crying in the corner in front of your little Fury shrines. Guaranteed that none of you will show up after Usyk battering the ogre. What a nice place it will be.
Probably because that hardest puncher of the era champion ain’t ****? (Usyk fanboys words not mine)
You can’t have it both ways guys.
Usyk doesn’t need dirty tactics. His skills are superior. And he is enraged now. He will end Fury and it will be surprisingly easy to boot. Oh how many you will be shocked and mumble “but… but… something’s wrong with Tyson, that’s not how it was supposed to be…”
It will be a glorious sight, I can’t wait.
Hold on usually I agree with you but I got to stop you there.
Dubois was not the weakest opponent available. They made him available while he was not. It’s called CORRUPTION. Get it right! Hahaha
Like furys never been saved by a ref
Refs will interpret things in different ways. Fury had won most of the rounds V WIlder and had largely avoided big punches. So was given every chance to make the count. V Whyte Fury had landed all the telling punches while Whyte landed virtually nothing of note. The push was poor and technically illegal but Whyte was done no question.
I imagine both will be warned about conduct during the fight at various times I imagine Fury will lean on Usyk whenever he can. I can see it being an ugly scrappy fight to be honest and not one for the purists.
One would hope that we will given that it's in Saudi and not the US or UK the later of which Usyk wouldn't stand a chance of getting a fair shake on a Big Frank card because Belly would be able to get away with blue murder all night. Or on a Top Rank one in the US either.
Usyk is a very clean fighter and he wins via the application of pure skills and clean boxing. None of this cowardly running, holding, ducking below waist level, stiff-arming, throwing 4-5 punches a round crap they and many fans deem ''slick boxing,'' the height of ''skill'' and ''defensive genius'' we see across the pond.
He's aggressive, throws lots of shots, and his defense and offence are pure skill based not fear based and he uses legal manly tactics to make you miss. Even when he's on the back foot he's outboxing you the right way not like a petrified chicken.
Whereas, conversely, Belly, who despite hailing from the uber masculine land of Great Britain, takes a lot of influence from the dirty tactics of the American school, so a dirty fight and a biased/corrupt referee and judges will obviously favour him
Most of your post makes sense to me except the above statement. That **** is no more legal than hitting below the belt, or elbows or headbutting, etc. I'm ok with all of that stuff when it's borderline. Egregious examples should elicit the loss of a point. Repeated egregious examples merit DQ, just like any other foul.
This really does make you question why would anyone value or want to watch the likes of Ward, Haney and Shakur over someone like Usyk or Loma who are the complete antithesis of those fighters in so many ways?
The only reason why Ward achieved as much as he did is because his entire style and success hinged on him fouling and cheating like crazy, always having home refs, be it hometown, state or country, to allow him to get away with it and fight by a set of rules he penned with his own hand, fighting on a deck heavily stacked in his favour all the time like literally against every world class opponent he fought, and refusing to travel or to sign on the dotted line unless he had every advantage that could be wangled in his favour wangled in his favour, which included refusing to allow a single neutral judge for the Kovalev rematch after having a full set of officials for the first one who robbed Kovalev of all his world titles.
And before someone interjects with but he won Olympic gold though, no his serial cheating ass categorically did not deserve to win even Olympic silver, let alone win gold. He literally spent (no exaggeration) half the 8 minute duration of his semi-final octopus grabbing his opponent to death and he managed to win it by sneaking two late points when he should've had incurred multiple point deductions of been DQ'd. His poor opponent just wanted to fight to achieve his dream and Ward just wanted to steal it from him and his way to the final
Haney is just a gigantic weight bully, the biggest one in the sport, who has never fought a single world champion close to his size and even though he weighs 2-4 divisions more than all the ones he's faced he punches like a little girl and still stinks the joint out running and hugging them to death.
This is not skill
Shakur just stunk the joint out like very few have throughout history simply because he was facing someone his own size for the first time who was athletic, fast and could punch
I'll take him over the other two any day but over Usyk and Loma? WTF?!