Will there ever be another Mike tyson?

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  1. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    I lt might sound daft but I thought andy ruiz jr was the one to do a similar tyson style with his very fast hands. But No he turned out to be what his body suggests, a lazy unconditioned and non explosive fighter. Povetkin did absolutely nothing against klitchko, they all try swinging for the fences with big loppy punches, and never let there feet do the work. It goes to show how good tysons footwork and head movement really where. He could get inside in a flash and devaste the taller fighters! A long limbed man can't do anything when a mans on his chest banging away. Povetkin is the best short puncher in the division but doesn't possess the handspeed and fluidity, in simpler terms he leaves his feet behind him sometimes, ofcourse it's easier for him to get his combos off against similar sized opponents. The same with david haye, quite often these shorter fighters see themselves as counter punchers for some good awful reason, yes tyson didn't like getting pushed back and his style is long lasting but iyou have to fight within your physical capabilities. Haye tried to goad klitchko into a punching the backfoot, wladimir isn't stupid, povetkin tried too stand his ground and occasionally do a mock slip and try to land 1 or 2 shots, nono. You need to go to foward foward, if u can't slip and get combonations off you need to sit on the chest.

    Bermane stiverne tried walking wilder down aswell, it's not easy too keep your body moving slipping, in and out and angles. Heavyweight boxing is a tall mans game, you can imagine the energy expenditure of a smaller fighter missing a lot, evading a lot and just to get hit with a big right hand or too miss by a big amount as the 6'5+ fighters pull away. Tyson was a freak he was, as he could put together the speed of foot, the speed of bodymovement, and the tenacity and aggression to 3 or 4 punches that would knock you out into one.

    Or would mike be troubled by wilder, the klitchkos, fury and others. Remember mike was 5'11. Povetkin and stiverne are 6'2, haye is 6'3.
    They can't duck as low, they can't fight aswell inside, they get hit easier with there height. Are the giants getting better at fighting short men. Fury wilder klitchko, always have been huge always will fight the same way. Povetkin probably thinks he doesn't need to train any different for klitchko, haye thought he was too fast; haye was a tall cruiserweight, he had 5 inches over mormeck. He did t need to learn how to slip, whilst going foward. They are both counter punchers and that's why they do well, fighting similar sized opponents. You could say delboy was the only fighter who continusly fought in the bulldozing advancing manner, unluckily for derek he didn't have the schooling of haye and povetkin, he turned pro late, he never developed proper punchng technique but he had the right style to trouble tall fighters, tall good fighters I mean. Helenuis, vitali etc.

    Either the taller fighters of today are getting better at dealing with smaller fighters, or the smaller fighters are getting taught the counter punching box off the backfoot game. And not the tyson Frazier and the better version Mike Tyson style. Remember Frazier was a huge hearted fighter, unbeilievably fit, but he wasn't a mike tyson, he tried to gl arch you with the hammering left hook and then follow up. Tyson wanted to catch you with more than 2 shots when he was inside! None of the heavyweights today want to do that, they think they are 1 punch ko artists. Who told them that? Lol. Haye,povetkin are not. Stiverne still needs more than one to put lights out.

    And I rate amir mansour as a good small fighter, that man is one of the true 1 punch fighters of the heavyweight division. Age and inactivity blighted him. So he won't reach the top which is a shame. Mansour could of been the number 1 american heavyweight fighter.

    I've been banned for a week, so I had a lot to say after watching the wilder vs stiverne fight I have to concede that there will never be another 5'10-6'2 dominant champion. And the fat ass stiverne needs too sort out his weight. If you look at the shape of takam, you see a solid muscled 255lb stocky heavyweight. Stiverne should be the same weight as povetkin, 220-230lb no more. This strength factor there talking about, it's rubbish, you need speed and ferocity, you cannot outlast a 6'6 fighter whose going to lay on you, only by breaking down the body. Landing punches not grappling it's not wrestling. Peace. Well done wilder now fight povetking or fury.
     
  2. lordlosh

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    So Tyson do nothing against Lewis and Holy ....
     
  3. lepinthehood

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    Yeh the fat past prime tyson lost against two of the best heavyweights of all time. Haye and povetkin didn't do a damn thing vs klitchko. Atleast the Holyfield fights were pretty competetive. Lord nosh
     
  4. lordlosh

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    Its kinda sad for Mike to past his prime at 29 years old. I mean its all his fault if thats the truth about his prime, or the guys above i mention was just too good for him.
    Douglas also give him a beating and he was at 23 years old.
    Ali was also away from boxing for s*** reason, but he come back and beat one of the best in the sport.
    I always say it, Klitschko was beat, but not defeated, he comeback, but Tyson was not only beaten, he was simply replaced by better fighters.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It's possible another Tyson will come along and you're right Mansour could have been great in the marketability department had he not gone to jail, but its almost impossible to market a 40+ Tyson, But I think HBO or Showtime should at least give it a shot.


    What were you banned for BTW?
     
  6. Tancred

    Tancred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In time possibly
     
  7. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, probably never. It would be nice if it happens, but let's face it.
    Average height, weight and reach has increased significantly since Tyson's early years.

    Tyson was only 5'10! He's unbelievably small, it's even amazing he managed to chop down some of the opponents he beat.

    Douglas never achieved anything, but he beat Tyson with the jab and the reach advantage alone. His jab stopped Tyson right on his track, forcing him to reset the aggression every time.
    And he wasn't a giant by any means!

    Also Tyson was one of a kind, he was truly coordinated and had a good sense for the right punches depending on the situation, combinations, dodging.

    But nowadays, someone with his frame wouldn't even try the heavyweight division, and would rather go to super middleweights and light hws.

    Not even in cruiserweights you see dominating 5'10 boxers!
     
  8. gdm

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    When was that can crusher in his prime? While crushing cans at 24 or when he lost to douglas? Tyson and roid jones jr are two hype jobs that had very short prime, exciting style and are overrated by casual fans and media.
     
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  11. Warwick Hunt

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    You're suggesting here that Tyson was an inside fighter similar to Frazier when in fact he wasn't.
    Tyson was very poor on the inside wasn't in Fraziers class in there who was a great inside fighter.
    All of Tysons best work was from mid range he was easily tied up on the inside.
    A prime Tyson though is a significant proposition for any heavyweight who ever lived.
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    The same ol misconception parrtoted over and over:tired

    Amazing how a 5'10 HW with t rex arms was able to bomb guys out with upper cuts and body shots from 'mid range':nut
     
  13. Warwick Hunt

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    Of course he managed to get inside now and then,but he essentially wasn't an inside fighter,certainly nowhere near in the Frazier mould.
    It shows you how quick and devastating his hand speed was that he was able to cause so much damage from that distance,if he hadn't have had that speed he couldn't have done it.
    Do you watch his fights?
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    In his prime, his whole strategy was to get inside. You haven't a clue.
    Stop talking about Frazier. I said nothing about Frazier.
     
  15. Peppermint

    Peppermint Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. Tyson has a unique story that fed his hunger and determination. He was 20 years of energy condensed into 4 years.