Will Usyk get a fair shake against Fury?

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  1. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Active Member Full Member

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    You're going to slag off Fury's win over a younger, more dominant Klitschko in his backyard when it's arguably AJs best win? That's when Klitschko was 41, and AJ still almost got knocked out.

    If anything AJs style is perfect for someone like Fury.
     
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  2. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The difference in Klitschko eyes between Fury and AJ fight is exactly the same amount Fury ducked the fight, and make Klitschko inactive.
    And no more dominant win is not when you duck the rematch and then later pop for PEDS. That wins in my eyes means nothing. And it was 115-112. The only reason Klitschko lost that fight, against the all mighty Fury, is because he was heavily inactive, just by throwing more punches he would have won the fight. I rate AJ version of Klitschko higher, as he may have been older, he was shot in both fights anyway, as 40 or 41 is not much of a deal to a guy who already lost most of his attribute. But in AJ he was awake and was ready for a war and go down swinging. This wasn't the case with Fury. And it would have been, but Fury ducked the rematch.

    And no buddy, Fury has nothing on AJ to trouble him. Feather fisted, big target, he is slower, no matter how Fury fanboys want to dream he is faster than AJ, he is not. AJ on top of that is million time more explosive, hits million time harder, and is a lot stronger than Fury, so Fury clinches won't work, which is his main attribute nowadays.

    There isn't any single version of Fury, who would beat AJ. There is a reason when Fury comeback and was offered the AJ fight, which is very well documented, he decided to duck a 60-40 offer, and wanting 50-50, when he was a noname and not a factor, and took prolly 10x time less money to fight Wilder.
    Fury won't ever fight AJ.
    He will try to cheat his way against Usyk, which i doubt will happen and he will retire. And Turki will find it hard way how much of a "warrior" his "main guy" is.
     
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  3. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Aj fanboys will be on 24/7 watch after May 18
    I can't wait lol
     
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  4. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    Why? What in Fury's latest performances leads you to believe he'd have an easy time with Joshua?
     
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  5. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Active Member Full Member

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    This is where your bias really shows. Fury fought Klitschko in Germany, AJ had home advantage. Fury easily outpointed Wlad, AJ struggled to a standing TKO.

    I'm far from a Fury fanboy, but you're gonna sit there and say the lineal champ is a no name, non factor? And he should accept 60/40 against him? Sod off with this "A-side" rubbish. It's why fights like AJ-Wilder never get made and seeing people defend it is just sad.

    Don't get me wrong AJ is a good, strong fighter with an excellent right hand and uppercut. But he ain't beating Fury, and there's a reason he's chasing old Fury opponents rather than Fury himself. When was the last time AJ seriously called him out?

    Sadly we won't see Fury v AJ as Usyk will likely beat Fury, and AJ will try and chase his 3rd loss against Usyk instead.
     
  6. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Active Member Full Member

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    Nothing to do with latest performances. To me it's more how their styles would match up. Fury tends to do quite well in fights people expect him to lose (Wlad and Wilder 1 come to mind).

    Honestly people are starting to underestimate Fury because he looked rubbish against Ngannou, and overrate AJ because he flatlined him. Hopefully the all mighty Turki can settle this debate once and for all at some point, but somehow I see Usyk derailing this plan.
     
  7. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed, Usyk in my opinion needs a fast paced fight where Fury can't rest , if Usyk makes Fury actually work 3 minutes a round I think Fury fades late.
     
  8. markclow

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    You need to lay off the crack.
     
  9. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    Well it should have something to do with their latest performances as the fights you cite took place nine years and six years ago respectively. Fury's style today isn't the same as it was when he was twenty seven years old!!! I don't think I should have to point that out at this stage. He can't move the same, he can't react the same, he can't throw shots the same. And Joshua isn't the same stiff bodybuilder he was back then either. He's a lot looser, more relaxed fighter with a lot more experience from his years of fighting at the top of the game, win or lose.

    I don't think people are underestimating Fury as just reassessing how good he still is. He struggled against two common opponents Joshua recently demolished, and hasn't really looked impressive since 2020. And again, people aren't overestimating Joshua but coming round to the idea that he's actually nowhere near as limited as initially thought.

    I hope they fight regardless of what happens in the Usyk fight as I think it'd make for an interesting style clash, albeit one in which Joshua comes out the victor. But maybe Fury will turn the tables once again and beat Usyk. Then all bets are off.
     
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  10. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Active Member Full Member

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    You misunderstood me. I'm not making my prediction based off Fury's fights 6+ years ago, simply pointing out that people underestimated him then, and they're underestimating him now.

    AJ looks as stiff as he did 5 years ago imo. He's made minor improvements but he's also been fighting lesser opposition than what he used to with his last 4 fights.

    If Fury went back and fought Franklin and Helenius, and knocked them out inside 6 rounds, would you suddenly think he'd beat AJ off of those performances? I wouldn't, because styles make fights.

    Fury is capable of switching stances, throwing feints, boxing long and brawling close. He can't punch as hard, but when he sits on his punches he can inflict damage and he has excellent recovery/solid chin. Name one other opponent AJ has faced with those attributes, let alone beat.

    Usyk > Fury > AJ
     
  11. Hurrikeen

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    It’s a 50/50 for me.
    But I don’t think people are playing down Fury just because of the Ngannou fight. His Wilder wins have lost their shine a little given how someone like Parker made him look silly for 12 rounds.

    He made Wallin look like a very good HW.
    And tbf, you can’t just disregard his recent outings. That Ngannou fight was embarrassing. The best HW on the planet should be making mincemeat of a boxing novice.

    I certainly thing AJs chances now are a lot higher than they were, say, 5 years ago.
     
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  12. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Err no. I know your an Alt but still no, Fury arguably lost against a complete novice MMA fighter turned boxer...
    Usyk lives clean and has had hundreds of fights in his whole career. Fury beat Vlad in a stinker of a fight and beat the grossly overrated Wilder who faced nobody most of his career....when he did he got wrecked.
     
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  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nqh, this is where hate to AJ gets to you. Firstable i see nothing special in the version that beat Klitschko. This was also the most boring fight, and the reason Fury won, wasn't cause he was so special, but Klitschko actually being too passive, something he obviously change in his next fight, aka against AJ. Also Fury fought Klitschko in his 25 fight, AJ fought him in his 19.
    And AJ virtually retire Klitschko, as he was ready for the rematch, and Klitschko decided to retire.
    With Fury, Klitschko knew what he went wrong and wanted the rematch.
    Here were i give AJ credit, and Fury loses me. He run from the rematch, and on top of that he was a drug cheat at that point. So sorry, but hard to give anyone credit, who was caught with PED.

    And yeah you are far from Fury fan, but you are not far from AJ hater, and this is recently because of Parker.
    Your choice, who you will support and like of course. Also i have no problem with you thinking Fury will beat AJ.

    But here is where my next problem with Fury is. He is the one with the fantasy match up, oh i will beat this and that guy, and then proceed to fight the likes of Chisora and Ngannou back to back and waste 2-3 years of anyone career.

    As far as the so call "A" side rubbish. Sorry but at that time, AJ was the big star in the division, and Fury was the drug cheat, who faked mental problem to get a pass from being called what he is.
    He wasn't a draw or a champion of that point. Of course the guy with 3 major belt will will have bigger split. It wasn't a unification fight, as Fury has no title at the line at that time, and 60-40 was 100% legit offer.
    Also Fury essentially took like what 100x. time less to fight Wilder ....

    And here is the deal, Fury rejected the offer, not cause it was 60-40, he just didn't want to fight AJ, never was, never will. And this will be proven in the future.

    Also Fury is the last guy to defend for "A" side b.c., cause he is the epitome of all this ****. Should i even mention the 70-30 and even when Usyk accept he still ducked the fight, as Usyk wasn't old enough already. Or the famous 24 hours with AJ, and the same 60-40 offer, when he had just 1 belt ?
     
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  15. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 The Empire Struck Back Full Member

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    I hope so but the Saudis already have pom poms out for Fury.
     
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