Will we ever see an AJ vs Wilder fight

Joshua VS Fury is still bigger for Joshua, even if he loses to Usyl again.

 

I'm honestly not that bothered about it now; it's one of those fights which probably should've happened three years ago.

 

He's beaten a lot of fighters with great records and his only loss is a decision to the P4P #1. The other top fighters in the division have very few fights and haven't accumulated as many points. Pretty straight forward.

Instead of hiding behind a computer like a coward, if you really believe I'm an alt, let's place a large wager and find out who's telling the truth.

 

No I don't think so. It's a shame as I think it would have been as good/better than the Fury fights.

 

So he's No.1 despite a loss and only having one fight at the weight. While the actual belt holders are and have a combined 37 fights at the weight. Are you actually being serious?
You're a poor troll Alt.
Please try a lot harder....Alt.

 

The belts mean absolutely nothing in terms of computerized ratings. When you move up in weight you don't lose all of your points. That is why Usyk is number one at heavyweight.

if you really believed I was an alt, you would bet me. I'm willing to wager $250,000. So if you are telling the truth you will make a lot of money.

 

Don't be silly Alt.

Callum Smith still lost to Ginger before moving up so why would he have more points than the champs at the weight who are unbeaten. With one of them knocking out every single opponent.

This is why I know you're an Alt. Alao I would get a job first before offerring someone a $250k bet. Which is again you talking absolute nonsense. You cannot prove a thing and secondly you don't have the money to back up your mouth. So like EVERYTHING that comes out of your mouth it's garbage.


Thanks.

 

Because they're not champs in the eyes of the computers. They're just fighters. Being judged on who they fought. You're getting caught up in the hype of belts and promotional marketing and all sorts of stuff that is meaningless in computerized ratings.

Beterbiev and Bivol haven't had a lot of fights. Smith has way more wins over fighters with good records.

 

You're talking absoulte nonsense Smith's best win was Groves everone else is a level or two below that.
I've asked you a few times to provide the algorithm as according to you everyone knows it.
As previously stated your placing your whole basis just on Boxrec that is something that is used for checking results and records anything else is worthless.

 

1. Points are redistributed by every bout. No points come in or get out of the system by this basic rating process
2. But points get out of the system by career end, by point reductions due to inactivity or missing opponent quality
3. So additional points must be fed into the system
4. – 0.01 points, when a boxer wins a bout
5. – 0.1 points, when a boxer defeats an opponent, who already won a bout within 18 months
6. – 1 point, when a boxer defeats an opponent, who already won a bout against a winning opponent within 18 months
7. – when defeating an opponent within the top 15 percent of all active boxers, who already defeated an opponent within the top 15 percent of all active boxers (top 15 percent limit 2019: men = 4.89 points, women = 1.87 points)
8. — 8 points at least
9. — as much points as the defeated opponent had before the bout
10. — 40 points at most
11. — with weight = 1, when the opponent had no loss after his top win, with weight = 1/2 after 1 loss, with weight = 1/4 after 2 losses etc
12. — with weight = 1 within 18 months after the opponents top bout, with weight = 1/2 thereafter and decreasing by a factor of 1/2 per another 18 months
13. – all with weight = cd * v; cd = clear decision factor and v = bout value
14. Every boxer gets a first rating of 0 before his first bout.
15. After every bout, the ratings of the two boxers involved are changed depending on the bout’s official result (KO, TKO, RTD, UD, PTS, NWS, MD, SD, DQ, TD, DRAW).
16. The value of a result varies between v=1 and v=0.
17. The clear decision factor varies between cd=1 and cd=0.
18. The winner cannot lose points for KO, TKO, RTD, DQ, TD and decisions on points with cd=1
19. KO, TKO, RTD are rewarded with full value v=1, cd=1.
20. NWS is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=1.
21. UD, PTS, DQ, TD are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed, clear decision factor cd=1. If the score cards are available, it may be less.
22. MD, SD are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor is limited to cd=0.5. If the score cards are available cd may be less.
23. DRAW is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=0.
24. If the score cards are available, the value rewarded is in direct proportion to the rounds boxed, with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more. The clear decision factor is in proportion to rounds boxed and the mean score difference per judge. cd=1 for a mean score difference per judge of 50% of the rounds boxed.
25. All bouts are regarded to have the same weight independent of titles.
26. The winner gets a certain part of the opponent’s points and a certain part of the rating difference to the opponent’s rating.
27. For a DRAW the rating of the higher rated boxer is reduced by some part of the point difference; the rating of the lower rated boxer is enhanced by the same amount of points.
28. The full relative point reward is 33%. It is in direct proportion to the pre-bout rating of the defeated opponent.
29. The rating of a boxer is reduced, if he didn’t box an opponent with a rating of at least 50% of his own rating points within 18 months.
30. The rating of a boxer is reduced by up to 50% in proportion to the difference of 2 times the rating points of his best opponent in this time period minus his own rating
31. The reduction is in proportion to the time the requirement was missed.
32. The rating of a boxer is reduced by 50% for every time period of inactivity of 18 months – and to even less in proportion to a longer time period of inactivity
33. The pre-bout rating of a successfully debuting boxer is set to 25% of his opponents pre-bout rating.
34. The rating points are in relation to a weight division. The rating points are converted with the cube of the upper weight limit ratio of the old and new weight division.
35. The winner is always rated higher than the loser. the minimum margin is: mean pre-bout ratings of both r_m = (r_a + r_b)/2; r_new_winner = r_m + earn_f*v*cd/4; r_new_loser= r_m – earn_f*v*cd/4

Formula

If a boxer with a rating of r_a before the fight defeats a boxer b with a rating of r_b before the fight with result of value v, clear decision factor cd, the new regular ratings r_a_new and r_b_new after a fight are:

• earn = 1/3 * v * (r_b*cd + (r_b-r_a)/(1+2*cd));
• r_a_new = r_a + earn_a
• r_b_new = r_b – earn_b

The winner gets additional points.

Rating reduction caused by missing opponent quality:

career_top_rating = highest career rating adapted to bout division days = days between bout with best opponent before and bout with best opponent after reduction

• r_red-career_top_rating/10 = (r_old-career_top_rating/10) * (1 – 0.5*(1 – 2*best_opp/r_old))**(days/(365.24*1.5))

Examples


Boxer a UD 6 boxer b, scores 59:55 58:56 58:56, a has 10 points, b has 5 points, opponent with a prior win, but not within the top 15 percent of all active boxers

• A 6 rounder is rewarded with value 6/12, v=0.5
• UD is rewarded with cd=1 at maximum
• mean score difference per judge is (4+2+2)/3 = 2.667, which is rewarded in direct proportion to half the rounds boxed with cd= 2.667/3 = 0.89 at maximum
• so cd=0.89

• earn= 1/3 * 0.5 * (5*0.89 + (5-10)/(1+2*0.89)) = 0.44
• r_a_new = 10 + 0.44 = 10.44
• r_b_new = 5 – 0.44 = 4.56

• Winner additionally gets 0.01 points + 0.1 points for opponent with win and weight = cd*v = 0.89*0.5= 0.445
• additional points = 0.11*0.445 = 0.05 points
• r_a_new = 10.44 + 0.05 = 10.49

Boxer a SD 8 boxer b, scores 77:75 77:75 75:77, a has 100 points, b has 50 points, opponent within the top 15 percent of all active boxers and with an own win against such a top 15 percent boxer 23 months ago and 1 following loss

• A 8 rounder is rewarded with 8/12, v=0.667
• SD is rewarded with cd=0.5 at maximum
• mean score difference per judge is (2+2-2)/3 = 0.667, which is rewarded in direct proportion to half the rounds boxed 0.667/4 at maximum
• so cd=0.167

• earn= 1/3 * 0.667 * (50*0.167 + (50-100)/(1+2*0.167)) = -6.48
• r_a_new = 100 – 6.48 = 93.52
• r_b_new = 50 + 6.48 = 56.48

• Winner additionally gets 0.01 points + 0.1 points for opponent with win + 1 point for opponent with a win against a winner
• + 40 points for opponent with top 15 percent win with weight=1/2 for 1 following loss and weight=0.41 for top win before 23 months
• and overall weight = cd*v = 0.5*0.67= 0.333
• additional points = (1.11 + 40*0.5*0.41)*0.333 = 3.10 points
• r_a_new = 93.52 + 3.10 = 96.62

 

No. DW will ruin any chance of that happening....again.

 

If they ever fight it'll be in some random charity event years after both have retired and have got old, fat, broke etc.

 

I hope so