Will we need a new weight class for future SHWs?

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  1. Dodgy Syrup

    Dodgy Syrup Active Member banned Full Member

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    Am I right that in the amateurs they have a super heavyweight division?

    I only ask, because I've seen that division at the Olympics.
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    Anyway, I'm just thinking out loud here, guys, but do you think it is fine as it is?

    Is it possible that, as heavyweights have gotten bigger over the past 30-40 years, so they will continue to get bigger and stronger as nutrition continues to improve, as training and sport science finds more and more ways to build stamina and muscle?

    It is quite possible the way nature tends to throw up these kind of huge men we will see these anomalies regardless of any external forces.

    If we get to a situation in the (near?) future where most heavyweights are 6ft9 - 7ft and over, and weigh over 300 pounds, surely the threshold for the minimum weight will have to be raised, no?

    Where as Tyson Fury in 2021 is the exception, being (one of) the tallest, and heaviest, in this potential future he may well be the average.

    In fact, it may come along sooner than we think.

    Wilder was considerably lighter than Fury in their fights, and it made me wonder just how small could Wilder get (whilst still qualifying as a heavyweight) and how big Fury could get, before it would start to be ridiculous...and even dangerous.

    Therefore, assuming we see this kind of scenario in the not too distant future, would we need to create a new, officially recognised, super heavyweight division starting at...actually this is where I'm a little unsure as to the start weight...any ideas?

    It has to be something already being considered to a degree, do we think?

    So, what does everyone feel?

    Will we need a new super heavyweight division if the guys keep growing bigger and bigger?

    What should the threshold be?

    Anyone over 270?

    280?

    300?

    I ask all this because I firmly believe we'll be shocked how big these heavyweights will be in 30-40-50 years.

    How big do you think they can get?

    Just imagine, a 7ft 3in, 400 pound guy built like a 100m sprinter, as quick on his feet as a ballerina, as slick as Ali, as fearsome as Iron Mike, with a jab like a well oiled piston and an over hand right that hits like a sledgehammer.

    Now, imagine another guy in the other corner who is just as big and strong...I'd pay to see that.
     
  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Personally, I'm in favor of less weight classes. Not more.
     
  3. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Being a giant is no guarantee of success

    If you're a big giant un-coordinated oaf you're going to get exposed very quickly.

    Besides, there's more money in basketball and American football for these giants.
     
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  4. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Funny thing is that for decades now, the best Heavyweight has always been a ****ing giant, be it Fury, Wlad or Lewis. But most other giant heavyweights ****ing suck.
    Wach is huge and has an atg chin, yet he could not even make it to the top 10.
     
  5. Braindamage

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    I'm in favor of putting a cap on the HW of 230lbs. Don't need to see a couple of giants hugging all night, just like I don't want to see 80lb midgets going at it in the ring.
     
  6. JackSilver

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    Ain’t this why they created this new bridgerweight class for heavyweights below 225?
     
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  7. Dodgy Syrup

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    I get what you mean, Rumsfeld.

    I guess, in this situation, it would be more of a necessity than anything.
     
  8. Dodgy Syrup

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    That's right, I suppose.

    It's not so much them being big, or that it is somehow an automatic guarantee of success.

    Rather, it's a scenario where we could end up with a guy who is, say, 220 pounds, who is qualifying as a heavyweight, facing a guy who is 350 pounds.

    Because, there is no limit in the heavyweight division it may well happen...and sooner than we think.
     
  9. Dodgy Syrup

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    I suppose it is potentially some way off, but we would have to assume that sooner or later, as the very biggest guys end up much bigger than they are today, the smaller guys would get bigger too.

    I know I didn't explain that very well, but what i mean is if the biggest guys end up being over 300 pounds, the other guys would end up closer to 250.

    Or, put another way;

    (Numbers are just for an example, not specifc)

    Biggest heavyweight today
    - 280lbs
    Average heavyweight today
    - 240lbs

    Biggest heavyweight in 30 years
    - 350lbs
    Average heavyweight in 30 years
    - 280lbs


    Do you see what I mean?

    The average will get bigger just as the biggest guys will.

    How this would affect any further weight classes i don't know.
     
  10. Dodgy Syrup

    Dodgy Syrup Active Member banned Full Member

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    What do the guys over 230lbs do then?
     
  11. Dodgy Syrup

    Dodgy Syrup Active Member banned Full Member

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    You mean to bridge the gap between cruiserweights and smaller heavyweights?
     
  12. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    :lol: There is going to be a limit.

    But yes, some of the weights have to shifted around a bit.
    My ideal scenario:
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    135
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    160
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    190
    220
    265(the UFC was smart to put a cap on HW)

    10 weight divisions is about right.
     
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  14. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Rich peoples bodygaurds? Who cares!
     
  15. Dodgy Syrup

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    Oh, I do agree that creating extra weight classes isn't ideal.

    That's why I was looking at it as if it was a necessity brought about by the (potential for the) increasing size of fighters in the decades to come.
     
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