Will Wlad pass Lewis if he......

i think wlad is stronger than lewis. lewis seemed more like a natural fighter though.

 

Lewis (rightly) doesn't get much credit at all for the Tyson win.

The reason he is likely to always be rated above Wlad is the fact that he was the Unified/Undisputed champ for quite a while, and he beat a higher standard of fighter than those that exist right now. Like somebody already mentioned, that isn't Wlad's fault but it's just the way it is.

As much as some people would love it to be otherwise, Holyfield was NOT shot when Lennox fought him. He was Unified Champion and rated as the #1 Heavyweight in the world by pretty much everybody before the 1st fight.

There is nobody on the horizon for Wlad who is as good as either Lennox or Holy were on the night of their first fight.

 

Lewis at his oldest at almost 38, his heaviest and rustiest after a year lay off still beat Vitali Klitschko who was prime at 31 and who became champ soon after.
Vitali was and would always be reckoned to be toughest brother and would be fancied in a fight between the two, wlad will never beat vitali, Lewis did, that alone puts Lewis in an unsurpassable position regarding Wlad.

 

who knows i think he is most hated fighter in esb so here he will never be in atg status as lennox is!

 

Ah yes but you forget that the VITLAY victory was tainted, because Lewis beat him at boxing by using punches to the head. Big no-no in the Ukraine that is.

 

Your as blind as stevie wonder

 

Wlad will NEVER pass Lewis, let's get real

There isn't the competition out there for him to achieve it, and he would have to remain unbeaten for the rest of his career which is not a given if he takes one on the chin

Lewis would also beat Wlad easily. Much better boxer, similar power, better chin

 

i disagree, he isn't a much better boxer. the main difference is his chin, his mental stability and his uppercut. people who worked with both said that wlad is as good as lewis if not better. lewis didn't always look good, take mercer as an example. other people had better wins over mercer. there isn't enough quality opposition around these days, but you can even pick apart lewis' opposition: what's lewis best win? a 37 year old (a little over the hill) holyfield. it was a good win (both matches actually) but he didn't beat him in 1990. tyson was 14 years post his prime and so the list goes on. when klitschko wins against ibragimov, povetkin and haye it's as impressive as winning against tua, briggs and ruddock.

 

...you cannot be serious.

Ibragimov out-points (doesn't even knock out) two old gits, nearly comes a cropper against Ray Austin, and generally still hasn't had a eye-opening performance to make people sit up and pay attention, and yet he's better than Tua, Briggs or Ruddock?

Haye has had only 1 fight as a heavyweight, there's zero basis of comparison at this young age. Let's see how Haye is doing 5 years from now!

As for Povetkin, he's the class of those 3 and should indeed end up with a better career than Tua, Briggs and Ruddock. But on the other hand, I can easily think of a few amateur stars that turned out to be pushed too far too soon as pros and ended up doing nada...so let's wait for him too, shall we?


Wlad's problem is that he doesn't have someone else out there also clearing out the champions and contenders in turn, as was happening with Holyfield and Lewis. There aren't two big titans moving towards each other.

So in the absense of such fighters, what he needs to do instead is get dominant, get the belts together (holding onto them is another matter of course) and fight the best competition out there. The last couple years have been just what was needed for Wlad in this respect.

The next 3 or 4 years are absolutely crucial for Wlad's legacy. It would only take one knockout loss for many to suddenly do a 180 and write him off again (unfairly but you know that the media's like) so he needs to stay focused.

Nice chap, Wlad.

 

My two sense is this:

If Wlad steamrolls over all these guys, his legacy actually suffers because it looks like he fought a bunch of bums.

IF one or two of them beceome a good series, then conversely, it really helps his cause. If Povetkin pull an upset and Wlad comes back to win two, or if Lamon manages to find a path to another title and they have a rubber match- these are the things that can get Wlad a legacy because then it looks like he took on credible opposition. I suppose you can throw Peter in there too.

 

i'm not saying wlad is there yet, but if he unifies beats some good fighters povetkin, haye or solis in the next years, who will all have gained experience in the pros, he will have some good wins in his resume. not great ones, but still good. the comparison i made was, that lewis has a couple of good wins in his record but very few great ones.

 

Bowe ducked him.
Byrd?
Ruiz?

Tyson was shot, but Lennox (who was older) did what you are supposed to do against a fighter like that. Compare that to Wlad who got DEMOLISHED by Sanders who was...
a) never as good as Tyson, prime or otherwise
b) older than Tyson
c) had already been retired and only came out of retirement for one last payday.

The Vitali win isn't tainted except according to Klithuggers and Lennox haters. It was a legit victory over the champ of the next era.

Of course Tua was motivated. :roll:
It was a world title fight FFS!
He was more motivated than Ross Puritty, that much I know.
And Lennox dominated him in almost embarassing fashion. What more do you want?

Oh, I get it. You're new to boxing.
I guess for somebody like yourself who wasn't following the sport at the time, a fighter like Ruddock doesn't mean much. And I guess if you just look up boxrec, Grant is not impressive either. But take it from someone who knows, junior - they were big wins at the time.

As for the others, they are at least as impressive as 99% of Wlad's opponents. :deal

That version of Holyfield is better than anyone Wlad has faced, and probably better than anyone he will ever face.
The others are also better than 99% of Wlad's opponents.

 

It's not Wlad's fault that his less talent out there today. Who hasn't he fought? We can't dismiss because he didn't fight a comparable Holyfield.Joe Louis had the same problem. There was less talent then, he had to fight the hapless Buddy Baer twice, "two ton" Tony, and a bunch of other good fighters, but no one outstanding.
There is some comp lurking in the future and if Wlad beats em all, I'm with him.
I think a rematch with Peter/ then Povetkin,Chagaev and maybe Valuev, would test his mettle and gain serious respect.

 

I already said that it isn't Wlad's fault, but it doesn't change the fact that the HW's are garbage right now and we you can't really judge how good someone is if he isn't tested against elite opposition.

The Joe Louis comparison is a bit of a stretch!
Sure there were bums around then but Louis also fought some all-time greats.

On the subject of the two opponents you singled out, the second Buddy Baer fight only happened because the first fight ended controversially, and
Louis fought Tony Galento in the middle of 3 fights in very quick succession.

Both Two Ton Tony and Baer were about as good as most of the heavyweights around at the moment.

 

i hate wlad but yes if he beats all these guys without a loss for 6 yrs yes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb