Willard (Johnson fight) vs. Jeffries (Corbett 1)

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who wins this 45 round contest and why?
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Neither ever went 45rds,Willard did go into the 26th against Johnson,Jeffries went 25 with Sharkey.Jeffries did not like the heat when fighting so if the fight was in Havana, he wouldn't relish the humidity.Jeffries wins this , he is a class above Willard.
     
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  4. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Jeffries offensive arsenal is the biggest factor in why he should beat Willard, who's chance of winning is almost solely based on out lasting his man. The 45 round distance gives him a chance, albeit a very slim one.
     
  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The big loser would be any fan that would pay to see these two maul each other for 45 rounds. Not one ounce of finesse between the two. I cringe thinking of it.
     
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  6. KuRuPT

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    I think people are selling Willard a little short. For the Johnson fight I'd say Jeffries isn't putting him away. He seemed highly motivated, and fought a solid fight. Jeffries doesn't press like Johnson did, and thus I don't see him landing as much, and even what Johnson landed didn t put him down. Shoot, even though Dempsey stopped him, he took a terrible beating, and survived longer than most HW's would. I can envision Jess fighting cautiously behind the long jab of his, and firing in right hands, and most importantly many would land. Let's not pretend like Jeffries was particularly hard to hit; couple that with Jeffries maybe being before his peak at this stage, and I do give Willard a decent chance. The pedigree and all time ranking go to Jeff, and maybe the fight to, but I could see it the other way as well
     
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  7. Perry

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    Jeffries widely considered an all time great by experts of his time. Willard considered to know very little about the finer points of the game by experts of his time. Both are tough and in remarkable physical condition. Jeffries stops Willard around the 12th round in a fight that Jeffries gradually dominates.
     
  8. reznick

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    This is actually a great matchup. Very tough to call.
    Gonna have to wait for Lufs breakdown.
     
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  9. KuRuPT

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    As noted, yes Jeffries is great all time, but you really think Jeffries stops him in 12. So I'm guessing you think Jeffries has more power than Johnson, and would land more, even though Johnson pressed the action more than usual, and landed quite a bit? Odd considering Jeffries usual work rate, and second, what show of power gives you that Jeffries would hurt Willard so conclusively?
     
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  10. Perry

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    Jeffries is 4-5 levels above Willard. Willards lack of defensive skills make him open for very hard blows that Jeff could deliver. Willards straight up style would make him open for Jeffries best punch...left hook. As per Fleischer who knew both fighters well Johnson lacked the punching power of Jeffries. I do not believe Willard would be able to take Jeffries best punches full force for long.
     
  11. KuRuPT

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    Odd, considering Johnson seems to have better punching power displays, even against common foes. Let's not even get into, while past his best, he could even hurt Johnson, and Johnson clearly could hurt Jeffries. Let me guess, that Alfalfa farm did a number on his chin? You keep acting like Willard wasn't in peak physical form and is capable of fighting a smart fight at distance. You keep acting like Jeffries is some wizard in their who forces the action most of the time and doesn't get hit doing it. He was easy to hit and countered punched more than this style you're attributing to him. That wouldn't be good enough against this Willard. Let me guess, you're going to talk about all the sportswriters who ranked Jeffries ahead of Willard, and say ATG 6 times referencing Jeffries?
     
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  12. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Willard fought an old Johnson and got his ass kicked for most of the fight. Johnson was not a heavy puncher...he was a boxer.

    Johnson fought an old Jeffries. Willard is not Jack Johnson. Willard although superbly conditioned that day knew very little about the finer points of boxing. (Neither do you)

    Fleischer who knew both men very well stated Johnson with all his defensive prowess lacked the heavy wallop of Jeffries. No one from that time ever considers Johnson in Jeffries league as a puncher.

    Suggest you study up.
     
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  14. KuRuPT

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    Typical, nothing of substance, while acting like you're knowledge is the holy grail. Why was Jeffries unable to do anything to Sharkey, While Johnson toyed with men like Sharkey? Why is it that there is little evidence of him having devastating punching power knocking people unconscious, even while fighting smaller men? Just spar me how great this person and that person thought of Jeffries power, and tell me why the above happened? Then please tell me how Jeffries lost durability while on the Alfalfa farm? Jeffries got destroyed and Johnson had the cuffs on. You don't think Johnson maybe didn't appear to have a wallop, when most of the time he was toying with Guys, yet when he goes for it, people get hurt... odd indeed.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Willard was very durable GunBoat Smith a big puncher said he couldn't shift him.Jeffries crouch would make him vulnerable to Willard's best punch, the right uppercut.I think you over rate Jeffries power and his results suggest the same
    .I pick Jeffries but this is going to end in a mauling long fight not a 12 round ko for Jeffries ,a washed up Corbett went 10rounds with him and a near 40 years old Fitz smashed his face to pulp for 8 rounds.Jeffries wont have the advantage of size and weight here,he wont be laying on Jess like he did Fitz and Corbett.
    Wide open Sharkey went 45rds with him and Willard has a better chin than the Sailor,is 10 inches taller and45lbs heavier! Jeffries is better than Willard ,but not 4/5 levels better!
     
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