Willard vs Johnson was a great knockout

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    So you're the legendary Boxed Ears
     
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  2. Mendoza

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    STOP IT. I know Henry. He was way too many children to be spending time here.

    It's despicable for you to quote what is wrong. All you are doing is searching for bad information as long as it elevates your wife beating idol.

    Educate yourself, and show me one year in April where is was 100 degrees in Cuba. This is the part where you run away...

    [url]https://www.worldweatheronline.com/lang/en-us/havana-weather-history/ciudad-de-la-habana/cu.aspx[/url]
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Henry Hascup said it was over 100 degrees Willard said it was hotter than hell . Ive been there in April and you haven't ,so shut up you ignorant fool.I saw the question on the site and thought it might be of interest here ,and it was, no need for any hate from you on this , you muppet you're sick !
    You know Henry ,well tell him you called him a liar here.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

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    That's so great. I caught a minute or two of Big Bad Mama on Pluto last week (the 13-year-old me hoping to catch a glimpse) but ... it's just such a terrible movie. (LOL)

    Great shot by Willard. Jess was in the same heat as Johnson, carrying more weight. And it's not like Willard excelled at long 20-round bouts.

    It continues to be one of the more underrated wins in boxing history.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Willard was in the shape of his life ,Johnson was fat and 37 years old.

    “Time had done its work,” the Associated Press reported. “It had been the opinion of Johnson and many of his friends that he did not have to be in the best of condition to whip Willard, underrating the latter’s splendid condition and youthful stamina.”

    According to a New York Times account, Johnson asked Curley following round 22 to “Tell my wife I’m tiring and I wish you’d see her out.”

    The end came shortly before the halfway point of round 26. As the pair maneuvered toward the challenger’s corner, Willard fired a lunging jab followed by a pulverizing right to the jaw. Upon impact, Johnson’s head snapped violently to the side while his hands reached out and tried to take Willard down with him. That effort failed, so his stricken frame slid down Willard’s torso and legs before landing back-first with a thud. As Johnson shaded his eyes from the blinding sun, referee Welsh positioned himself four feet directly behind the champion’s head and tolled the count. Once he reached “10,” he immediately raised Willard’s right arm and walked toward ring center.

    After the fight, referee Jack Welch said: "If I had been compelled to give a decision at the end of the twenty-fifth round, it would have been Johnson's by a wide margin. Up to the twentieth round, Willard had one won only one round by a real margin and two or three others by the slightest shade. In the thirteenth and fourteenth, I was almost sure Johnson would knock Willard out, but Willard showed that his jaw and body were too tough. Johnson put up a wonderful fight to the twentieth round, but age stepped in then and defeated him."
     
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  6. Dubblechin

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    Well, Johnson certainly could've gotten in the best shape of his life. He was defending his title, after all.
     
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  7. mcvey

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    He was 194 lbs when he won the title and 225lbs when he lost it seven years later. Johnson was a fugitive from the law in exile,I guess there is just a chance he was a little distracted?
     
  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Johnson was living in a mansion and had more money than most athletes alive at that moment.

    Willard was a hick who had never been outside the country before he traveled to Cuba to fight the best heavyweight on the planet. I think he (Willard) might have been a little distracted, too. (LOL)

    It was a good fight and a clean knockout win.
     
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  9. CharlesBurley

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    The conditions were set up for Willard to win the fight. Huge durable opponent in his prime, Johnson past prime and high number of rounds in high heat. Johnson shouldn't have agreed to it.
     
  10. mcvey

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    BS Johnson was broke he had cleared about $1000 for the Jim Johnson fight,and did not get paid for the Moran one, he hadnt gotten a real purse since the Flynn fight in 1912 , 3 years earlier,and he had forfeited his$30,000 bond when he jumped bail. He was living on the proceeds of half a dozen exhibition fights in Argentina. Mansion my arse!
     
  11. mcvey

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    His vanity made him believe he could stop Willard long before the distance became a problem,After 20 rounds he knew he couldn't stop Willard and he knew he couldnt go 45 rds so the result of the fight was effectively already decided.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    What was Willard living on? The fortune he made in the George Rodel fight a year earlier? (LOL)

    Johnson had more than Willard. More money. More experience. More celebrity. More power. More wins over longer distances. His defenses were held where he wanted them held.

    Don't act like everything was in Willard's favor. Nothing was in Willard's favor.

    Johnson thought the inexperienced hick he was facing was going to fade, because Willard had faded in long fights before, and he (Johnson) would win late like he had so many other times. And Johnson fought that way.

    But Willard didn't fade.

    I don't even know what you're arguing about. It was a good win for Willard and a great knockout.

    He scored a knockout over the world champ in the 26th round. Lots of fighters never would've pulled that off.

    Gerry Cooney couldn't have gone 26 rounds. Even the thought of a 45-rounder would've sent him into a panic attack. (LOL)
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Age ,conditioning,the distance ,size,weight, were all in Willard's favour.It was a great win for Willard a terrific ko , who has implied otherwise,Johnson had no say over the opponent ,the site or the distance.Jack Curley chose Willard because he thought he had the best chance of beating Johnson ,he originally chose Mexico but the instabilty in the country made him go to Cuba and Curley also picked the distance not Johnson,and once again Johnson was broke. Johnson had never seen Willard until their first press conference.
    What long fights had Willard faded in?Willard had 28 fights under his belt when he challenged Johnson.Willard had the promoters and the crowd with him too.

    With Jack Johnson was on the run throughout the U.S. and South America for evading prosecution of "importation of women for prostitution", promoters finally arranged a site for a Willard-Johnson championship bout, first Juarez, Mexico, and then finally Havana, Cuba. Willard fought only 3 bouts in 1914.

    In the meantime, Willard was cast in a 1-reel short film, "The Heart Punch". It was made in late 1914, but not released until February of 1915. As the record already shows it, Willard beat Johnson in 26 rounds of a scheduled 45-round bout, in simmering 100 degree plus humid temperatures of Havana. After the Johnson fight, Willard only boxed 4 other fights -- all exhibitions. Suddenly, Jess Willard was very popular -- in the world of boxing, of course, for bringing back the championship to the "white race," and in the U.S. lucrative offers abounded -- the movies, the stage. Willard did a stint in vaudeville at Hammersteins' Victoria Theatre in New York, but the biggest deal was with Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show, and later the 101 Ranch Wild West Show, which he owned and operated from 1916-1918.
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    Oh please. Nobody stopped Johnson from getting shape. And how bad was his conditioning? He went 26 rounds.

    Willard didn't ask for the fight to be held outside the U.S.

    Willard didn't ask for the fight to be 45 rounds.

    Willard never won a fight past round 11. He hadn't even won all his fights the previous year. Or the year before that.

    Everything was in Johnson's favor and normally would've resulted in a Johnson win, including the selection of Willard as an opponent ... but Willard was just better that day. He didn't fade after round 11. Or round 20. Or round 25.

    He won fair and square. Great KO.
     
  15. reznick

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    Good post, but I have a slight correction: Willard and Johnson met at a boxing gym years before they fought. Johnson was impressed with him, and asked Willard to spar. Jess, knowing he would fight Johnson in the future, politely declined.