Willard vs Patterson

Patterson-sized journeymen Tom McMahon and George Rodel out-pointed Willard, so it was hardly mission impossible. Patterson on points.

 

excellent point--Willard lost to men who were not bigger and were no where near as good as Patterson. Perhaps Patterson would dazzle him with speed and an in and out attack. Perhaps Patterson would blow even a young Willard away in the manner Dempsey blew the old Willard away.

My problem with Patterson is that I see no alternative to his coming into Willard. Against Liston--admittedly a mile better all-around fighter than Jess--when Patterson tried to come in he ran into Liston's right uppercut. He had no defense and couldn't get out of the first round. Although it doesn't show on film, by rep Willard had a great uppercut, his most dangerous punch. Could Floyd, who couldn't avoid Liston's at all, nor Joey Maxim's when he was young, manage to avoid Willard's for fifteen rounds?

I am probably a minority of one (as usual) but I think Patterson stacks up a lot better against Jeffries than Willard because of that Willard uppercut.

 

Even if we treat those fights as being representative of how Willard would perform here (highly questionable) you would have to ask how similar those fighters were to Patterson.

McMahon certainly seems to have been more of a boxer type, though I am not to sure about Rodel’s style.

 

You just said it yourself. Liston was much, much better than Willard and frankly it's blasphemy to compare someone like willard to liston. Willard to me is so crude and unrefined to Patterson. I see no reason why Patterson wouldn't be able to outbox him, if not TKO him with a huge left hook like Dempsey did and totally f*ck him up.

If all it took was an uppercut then Patterson would have a lot of losses. He typically lost to huge punchers in Liston and Johannson, Willard to me doesn't hit like those guys so I think Floyd is ok here.

 

You never know, it could go like Spinks-****ey, but my instinct right now is that Willard was too big. Replace Patterson with Michael Spinks and I think Willard gets battered badly.

 

Now we are getting a bit silly!

 

Sorry I meant Liston not patterson in that instance. I rate liston much much higher than Willard. That is what I meant.

But, to be fair both patterson and liston should be rated above willard.

 

The point with Patterson and Liston is that Patterson couldn't get out of the first round with Liston.

Liston would destroy Willard, but in fairness Willard could not do worse than Patterson did.

I don't see Floyd as all that much better than Willard against general competition. And my view is that his height and style are going to be real tough for Floyd to deal with.

 

:rofl

Willard fought like an old man who cant find his scooter. Patterson by KO.

 

You are certainly right to regard Patterson’s resume more highly than Willard’s, but do not fall into the trap of taking Willard too lightly.

He arguably had the best blend of power, durability, and stamina that we have ever seen in a superheavyweight.

This makes his a dangerous proposition for anybody, and an awful stylistic proposition for Patterson.

Shame that he didn’t have a bit more enthusiasm for the sport, and killer instinct.

 

No. He was a bottom feeder of heavyweight freakshows. Hell \vitali Klitschko could come out of retirement right now and bend him over that prime knee.

 

Sorry, but i don't regard Willard highly at all bruh.

And? Patterson's kryptonite was punchers who started fast. Liston is much better than Willard.

That's not sayin much. Willard is naturally bigger and stronger than Patterson so he could take a punch. but Willard never fought anyone like Liston so he could very well get KO'd in 1 round, or he would take more sustained damage over a longer period of time, and probably get KO'd in like 7 rounds. Either way he gets brutalized.. and That's how highly I rate Willard. Liston would bust him up, teach him a brutal boxing lesson and KO him.

Right.. Well, I do. I don't rate Willard highly at all, I think H2H Floyd fairs much better as he is quicker, much more advanced, refined, technical and frankly a harder hitter. I don't see much in Willard besides his toughness,stamina and size.. he wasn't anything special.

 

Patterson is the most disrespected fighter on this forum.