Williams v Cintron: Looking Back to See Forward

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  1. celluloidsnake

    celluloidsnake New Member Full Member

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    Williams v Cintron: Looking Back to See Forward

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    Paul Williams returns to the ring this weekend and will no doubt be looking to make a resounding statement with an impressive victory. The opponent is Kermit Cintron, a man who's ledger features just two losses, yet he has come into this fight as a serious underdog and for good reason. This writer truly believes that the class of Williams will show itself in this fight as he attempts to remind everybody of the threat he poses to any fighter from 154 to 160 pounds.

    The two men have taken different paths to success, but along the way have ran into a number of common opponents. I believe the answer to this fight lies in no small part in how each man performed in these fights. While I spend no small amount telling my peers that "Just because A beats B, B beats C, it doesn't mean that A beats C", the evidence in these fights is quite hard to ignore.

    Probably the most notable opponent for each man would be Antonio Margarito. Cintron twice fought the now disgraced Mexican star. First in the main event of an ESPN PPV as an up and coming, undefeated welterweight prospect and secondly as the defending IBF Welterweight champion. He was stopped in both fights, in the 5th and 6th rounds respectively. Kermit was simply unable to keep range and when his usually lethal power shots were shrugged off he was abused on the inside but the bull-strong Margarito.

    Kermit brought something to the ring in each of these fights - his undefeated record and then his title - and Margarito took them both.

    Paul Williams faced Margarito between the first and second Cintron bouts and Williams managed to walk the Margarito tight rope and come away with the win and Antonio's 147 pound title in the process. The blows that seemed to damage Cintron so savagely appeared to be do little visible damage to Williams and Paul's now legendary motor churned on and secured what would become an landmark victory.

    Simply looking at the evidence here, you could be forgiven for thinking this may simply have been a styles match up, but we have another, more recent opponent to cover yet; the recently named Middleweight Champion of the world, Sergio Martinez. Both Williams and Cintron faced the Argentinean born superstar in the past 18 months and neither of them came away smelling of roses but like the aforementioned Margarito fights, there are some serious differences in the performance of each fighter.

    Cintron and Martinez fought it out for a WBC trinket last February and although the official ledger reads "Majority Draw" as the decision announced that night, you would be hard pressed to find a fan or media member who saw it as anything less than a clear win for Martinez. In fact, it's one of the only fights in recent memory where one fighter looked to have won the fight twice in the span of the 12 rounds (7th round KO and 12 round decision), yet left the ring with neither.

    Kermit looked lost for large portions of this fight and had all kinds of trouble ad******g to the speed and angles of the quicker man, resulting in a dismal offensive output and a connect percentage of less than 20. Probably more worrying was that Cintron, while clearly behind in the fight only managed to get off 45 punchers per round. This last number has been an issue for Cintron his entire career and it might be a serious issue versus the ever busy Williams.

    Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez fought last December in what was one of the most exciting back and forth middleweight bouts of the past ten years. In a spectacular fight, filled with drama and back and forth action, Williams had his hand raised, the recipient of a majority decision. It was close though and nobody could have complained had either man walked away with the W.

    Winner or not though, Williams was put to the test in this fight and he was hit with the kitchen sink and while his foundations were most certainly shaken and cracked, they never tumbled, which is key, because throughout his career Williams has shown the ability to not only take a good shot, but to battle through some seriously tough situations and acquit himself well, something Cintron has always seemed to struggle with.

    When compared with Cintron's punch numbers, Williams' stats are alarmingly superior in almost every way. Williams managed to land 31% of his nearly 82 punches a round and somehow found the slippery Martinez with more than 200 power shots. That's double the total number of punches that Cintron was able to get home.

    Now at this point let me say that I'm not big on Compubox. It's great for the average fan sitting at home and we now even get the pretty graphics that light up a dummy and show what's landing where, but more often then not it fails to tell much of the story of a fight. Where I do find it useful however is when analysing future fights certain trends can appear and those might mean more than just simple numbers on a screen; they can be traits that follow fighters throughout their careers. The numbers from the Martinez fights are such and can't really be ignored in the context of their fight this weekend. In this case, the numbers don't lie.

    As the evidence from each fighters relevant past is gathered, I find myself thinking that if you were to design the perfect foil for Kermit Cintron, he wouldn't look all too different to Paul Williams. You'd want a fighter who's tall enough to take the range away from the long armed Cintron. Check. A fighter who uses a jab to offset Cintron's own. Check. A solid chin and resilient attitude to counter the Cintron power shots. Check. Enough stamina to output at high volume and outwork the patient, sometimes plodding Puerto Rican. Check. It's almost all there.

    About the only thing missing from the equation is the elusiveness that prevents Cintron landing repeated power shots and that's the one thing that gives Cintron a chance in this fight. Paul Williams is there to be hit and with Kermit's proven power, he's not without a glimmer of hope. But a glimmer is all it is. Williams wins and wins big.

    Paul Williams TKO9 Kermit Cintron
     
  2. celluloidsnake

    celluloidsnake New Member Full Member

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    Personally, I could see Williams closing the show earlier than this. Perhaps 5-7th.
     
  3. motownsiu

    motownsiu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think people are sleeping on cintron. i personally don't like cintron but he's probably the biggest fighter williams has faced and he packs a punch. williams defense is not very good. he just throws as many punches as possible and hopes something lands.
     
  4. celluloidsnake

    celluloidsnake New Member Full Member

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    This is true, and he can hurt him for sure, but I see Williams wearing him down as more likely than Cintron getting to him. I also get the feeling that Cintron will be there for the taking in a big way in a fight or two, maybe a little earlier.
     
  5. Brimstone

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    Easy win for Williams
     
  6. VecArrow

    VecArrow Custom User Title Full Member

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    Is Cintron famous in PR? I'm not from PR, but i really dont like his attitude inside the ring.
     
  7. Hyland

    Hyland Pimp C's Father Full Member

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    Cintron is underrated.
     
  8. Manjuice

    Manjuice chiastic contrapposto Full Member

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    Every true fight fan is aware that tough fights like the one Williams went through with Martinez take something out of you. It will interesting to see if that brawl slows Williams down a bit. Maybe just enough for cintron to capitalize on oppertunities that might not present themselves otherwise.
    Then again cintron hart has been proven to be less then steller and Williams is a great pressure fighter when he needs to be so I'm going with Williams tko 10
     
  9. motownsiu

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    oh i absolutely agree that williams should win, but i just don't think it's as easy as some predict. cintron will have his moments.
     
  10. Jaaames

    Jaaames Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Decent analysis..... But there are some pieces missing from this....

    #1 Cintron can punch

    #2 Williams isn't the best defensive fighter in the world

    #3 Goosen Tutor fighters are 0-2 in their most recent outings on HBO

    #4 Williams had to get up off of the canvas in the last fight...

    This will be a action fight. I want to pick Paul Williams.. But as the day gets closer, Cintron starts to become an interesting pick. I don't think that Paul Williams has ever fought a guy that can punch like Kermit. Margarito is a hard puncher and was able to get William's attention later in the fight. But he wasn't a one punch, two punch get you out of there early type guy.. Kermit has that ability.. IF Williams makes it an inside fight, chances are that he'll probably win... If Jesse Feliciano can have success insisde against Cintron, so can Paul.... But on the outside, Paul will have to work and move.. Throw shots from every angle... He gets caught in that lane, he gives Cintron a shot at landing that big shot...

    It'll go the distance and I think Williams will win.. If it doens't go the distance, Cintron will be your winner..

     
  11. Farmboxer

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    Cintron can't fight. He is a sick joke. Martinez beat his arse. Martinez beat William's arse as well. Cintron has zero chin, he will go down after taking one or two punches. He has very little chance against any medium fighter. He is, at best, grade B- fighter or C.
     
  12. kirk

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    winky
    margarito
    martinez

    are all fighters comparable in size to cintron.... yes cintron is the harder puncher but i dont think that will be enough.
     
  13. Farmboxer

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    If Cintron lands the big punch on Williams, Williams will get knocked out, but Cintron will run around and complain all night. He will not do anything. He has zero chin, can't take a punch, Hell, Christy Martin would probably knock him out.
     
  14. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    We don't know how much the Martinez fight took out of Williams (you never know).

    Williams could likely have an issue with a cut over the eye. It seems it's opened several times in recent fights (although he has fought through them pretty well).

    Cintron has shown power, but not against elite fighters.

    I don't think Cintron will handle pressure well, unless he has gotten better as a counter-puncher.

    Cintron's best chance is to let a monster shot go w/ the right when Paul jabs because he reaches and gives up his height. Really the only chance I see for Cintron. He has to make an impact to make Williams hesitant.

    Cintron doesn't like body shots at all, and Williams does body punch often when he can. Against Cintron, I am guessing he can. Cintron probably wears down.

    Overall, I would think Williams wins a fairly comfortable decision.
     
  15. rabmag

    rabmag Dead Game Full Member

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    Completely agree.

    Cintron had trouble getting Jesse Feliciano out of there...although he DID say he hurt his hand. After seeing him ***** out with Martinez i've lost all respect for him. I hope Williams splits him in two.