Williams vs. Martinez : Who did you score it for?

The 11th was not a martinez round you crackheads. Do me a favor dont listen to Jim Lampley and actually watch the ****ing punch exchanges. They both were getting in good shots in the last exchange with PW actually getting more in... But Lampley was riding Martinezes nuts out of man love during any moment. Mute his ass out and you get a different score.

 

Maybe you were focused on Lampley man. I was trying to watch a FOTY candidate. If Lampley was riding Martinez, it might have been because for long stretches of the fight he looked like the superior fighter.

In any case, this was a swing round and once it gets youtubed, I'm sure WWM and the P-Dub fan club will tell us all blow by blow why Martinez didn't win it. But he did.

 

same here, 7-5 Martinez......Sergio was landing BOMBS, while most of Williams shots were arm punches...close fight but, it wasnt in Pauls favor

 

I though Martinez won quite clearly.........I'll go as far as calling it an outright robbery.

On punchstat, Williams was being credited with too many shots that had very little behind it.....and Williams for great portions of the fight though busy, his shots were'nt reaching Martinez.

If someone would have told me that Martinez would fight the whole fight with his hands held down the way they were, I would have said he would have gotten knocked out easily.........but it actually seemed to help Martinez have a better view of Williams' incoming and be able to guage how far to pull back........

His hands to his side was actually helping Martinez get a better view of incoming and be able to pull, slip, and roll with the punches.


Martinez clearly won the fight imo......I'd say he landed 75% of the total clean effective connects between the two.


This is how I scored it.......

Rounds 2,3,4,5,8,10,and 11 for Martinez.

Rounds 6,7,9, and 12 for Williams.

Round 1 I scored even.

116-113 for Sergio Martinez.




I had it 116-113 for Martinez and I did'nt even feel it was that close.

......two rounds that I scored for Williams I felt were close enough rounds that could have been scored even or even the other way.
......those were rounds 9 and 12.

.....the 12th especially was a sloppy round and thus tough to score.

....in any regards, Martinez won his rounds much clearer than Williams won his.

116-113 Martinez and a robbery of fight.

The judge who had it 119-110 should never judge another fight again, but sadly this is boxing we're talking about, and he'll probably get a raise instead for doing what he was told to do.
That was'nt incompetence by that judge, it was dishonesty.

 

lol

Holding lol you mean that 1 time at the end of the fifth? Yeah that wins him the fight clearly.

You're an idiot, i'm done responding, bask in your own stupidity.

 

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Those were PW two best rounds of the ****ing fight.. ****ing clowns as usual.

 

You summed it all up right here.

4 & 5 were two of PW's best rounds and they were both still close especially 4. I was very suprised that Letterman gave it to PW and gave Martinez rd4 myself.

 

That should tell you something?????

If a round (the 12th) where both fighters were sloppy and almost falling over eachother is considered by you one of his best rounds.......it should tell us all quite clearly he was'nt being very effective.....and certainly not as effective as Martinez.


Look at the poll.......it should tell you quite clearly that a great majority thought Martinez was the more effective of the two.

Williams was consistently just getting thumped in there, and thats all there is too it.

The fact that Lederman scored for Williams just makes a case that it was Martinez who was the winner.

Lederman is one of the worst judges in the history of the sport......and he's also the most inconsistent......one day he's giving credit for power, another day he choses he'll give busyness the benefit of the doubt, and yet another day he does'nt have a clue and will make up something and say it was ring generalship......

Lederman is a complete bafoon.........he actually had Pacquiao winning in rounds over JMM in their first encounter.......
Lederman scored that fight 7-5 in rounds for Pacquiao......I dont think there's a ******* here who had the audacity to score it that far for Pacquiao in rounds.

 

You have a very good opinion. I try and keep memory of close or even rds and divide rds into 1 minute sessions, I had 2 close rds and try to be fair with distributuion. Some fights are ebb and flow and then there is a close rd that you must call even. like a 6-5-1 fight.

 

Judges cards.

1 - PW (2 of 3). 1 even.
2 - SM (3 of 3).
3 - SM (2 of 3). one PW.
4 - PW (3 of 3).
5 - PW (2 of 3). one SM.
6 - PW (3 of 3).
7 - PW (3 of 3).
8 - PW (3 of 3).
9 - PW (2 of 3). one SM.
10 - SM (2 of 3). one PW.
11 - SM (2 of 3). one PW.
12 - PW (2 of 3). one SM.

That's 8-4 Williams if you go by the majority for each round.

 

Olympic Club rules on decisions, 1889: “The points for decisions would be based upon direct clean hits with the knuckles and for defensive moves such as guarding, slipping, ducking, counter-hitting or getting away, but points would also be subtracted for clinching to avoid punishment. When the points were otherwise equal, the man who did most of the leading was to be given the edge. Disqualification could result from clinching, hugging, butting, wrestling, striking foul blows, flicking or hitting with the open glove, or hitting with the inside or butt of the hand or wrist or elbow.”

Police Gazette, 1899, on decisions. “His aggressiveness must be taken into consideration also, whether he does the leading or simply blocks and counters - the man who does the leading is favored from a point of scientific judgment, for he leaves himself open and unguarded and at the mercy of a counter fighter.”

Referee Alex Greggains, 1905. “He kept holding in the clinches. … I think that if every referee would let it be known that aggressiveness would weigh the most when there was no knockout, he would have better contests.”

There is no doubt in my mind that Williams-Martinez was fun to watch because of Williams, because of his constant work rate, constant leading and attacking. Martinez boxed very well, but he was much less active, moved away more, relied more on counters, and held a lot more.

I simply do not think landing 4-5 really clean punches overcomes the fact that Martinez also moved away and grabbed whenever he got hit, while Williams threw and landed more often, kept attacking even after getting hit, and didn't grab the way Martinez did after he got hit. Yes Martinez landed the cleanest and hardest, but Williams' work actually had more effect in terms of what he made his opponent do. When Williams got hit, he threw back and kept coming. When Martinez got hit, he ran or ducked and grabbed. Combine that with Williams attacking and throwing and landing more in most rounds, and I think you have a justifiable decision for Williams.

 

W-M

9-9
9-10
9-10
9-10
10-9
10-9
10-9
9-10
10-9
9-10
10-10
9-10

113-115 for Martinez

Lederman gave Williams the 12th for being tired. What does that matter if Martinez is landing all the solid shots? Very tough fight to score.

Props to both fighters. I dont think anyone should be down on Williams, he should a terrific heart and why he's so difficult to fight. As an amateur, I would absolutely dread facing someone with the attributes of Paul Williams.

 

This. I just watched the fight and scored it 115-114 for Martinez. There shouldn't be any doubt over a rematch taking place and that judge needs to explain himself. That's my pennies worth.

 

Williams - Martinez
1: 9 – 10
2: 9 – 10
3: 9 – 10
4:10 – 9
5: 9 – 10
6: 10 – 9
7: 10 – 9
8: 9 - 10
9: 10 - 9
10: 9 - 10
11: 10 – 9
12: 9 – 10

113 - 115

Round 11 was the best round of the fight

 

Anybody who scored rounds 4, 5, 6 for Martinez needs to slap themselves.. Real talk.