Willie Limond was Definately Robbed

I don't see what the issue is. He was clearly well enough to fight and followed all the ref's instructions which is all he has to do.

 

the kid didnt understand if he was alowed to saty on his knee or not.it happend to jerry quarry

 

it was a controversial incident. :yep

the ref was on 8 and khan went back down onto a knee.

instead of continuing the count, the referee just picked him up and told him to get on with it. :roll:

admittedly amir was complaining of a push and the main reason he went back down.

but rules are rules.

the ref controls the bout though, so there isn't much u can do about it. :bart

 

I cannot believe this is still going on despite the video...WATCH the video.

The clock is at 2:02 when he is on the canvas. He is standing after the knee at 1:53. Even ignoring the confusion of the knee, the fact that the ref sent Limond to the other corner and of course ignoring the fact that in EVERY fight the refs count is what the boxer watchs, he is still on his feet within 10 seconds.

How can you possibly watch the video with the time in the corner and argue otherwise?

And Ally mate it was YOU who posted the BBBC rules regarding neutral corners and now you are claiming it only applies in amateur fights. That is not true.

Here is a link to the Queensbury Rules:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing[/url]

And here is what it states on knockdowns:

"When a boxer is knocked-down, the other boxer must immediately cease fighting and move to the nearest neutral corner of the ring until the referee has either ruled a knockout or called for the fight to continue."

 

"5. The referee takes up the count at 5 on the timekeepers instructions as per the rules.

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At 1:59, he's up unassisted withing 10 seconds! According to the rules a fighter is ONLY considered "down" when 3.32.1 is satisfied as defined below. If you go by their definition of "down" the fighter in this case cannot be considered down at 1:59.

3.32.1 triggers 3.32 i.e. at this point 3.32.1 does not apply! Which technically means that 3.32 cannot apply at this point i.e. there can be no count without "down" being satisfied and that the count should have been reset when he took the knee again at 1:54!

 

Yes prescisely it should've been a 10-7 round if you go by the rules as stated in [url]http://www.bbbofc.com/documentation.php[/url] . As per my intrerpretation there is nothing the rules of BBBoC that specifically address the situation we saw on Sat night. Since you are refering to the rules, I am also referring to the same rules except saying that the count should have been reset as per the rules. If a fighter chooses to play musical chair, he stands to lose a point each time and the fight and has nothing to gain.

When you say that going back down within the time of 10 seconds is plainly not fit to continue, it isnt an intrepretation of the rule, its your subjective belief not the referees.


I'm merely stating that even if you go by the rules of BBBoC Limond did not win.

 

Ally - I think you are being totally disingenuous or blinded by bias. When have you EVER seen a count start at the second the fighter touches the canvas? At that moment Limond was falling over him and they were a tangled mess.

There is ALWAYS a brief delay be it a second or two before the count starts. Or do you think the count starts as the fighter is falling, the moment skin first touches canvas?
It never happens like that....listen lets be honest, Khan only even took the second knee under confusion, he was clearly instructed to and then got straight back up anyway.

Rather than using a free frame of him the split second he is hitting the canvas, look at the video in real time. That free frame does not show the fact that the clock switches to 2:03 immediately, in any reasonable analysis the count starts at 2:03 at the earliest and that is pushing it.

We could go through numerous fights throughout history where the neutral corner is significant, in fact almost all the major fights of the past few years that spring to mind.

If Khan had wanted to cheat he could have spat his gum shield out.

Anyway I wont change your opinion, but no way was Limond robbed, he did well, Khan got up and he didn't manage to finish it.

 

Watch the video, there is NO WAY the count could start at 2:04, the clock literally goes to 2:03 the moment he hits the ground, just as he lands with Limond tumbling over him it is at 2:04 and goes straight to 2:03.

By a HUGE push you could have the count starting at 2:03, and yet this would be very unlikely in any fight and would be holding this fight to a standard not seen in any other fights of recent memory. And yet even then, Khan is back on his feet from the knee at 1:54......a maximum of 9 seconds.

Thank **** you people were not in charge of fights like Gatti-Ward.

 

I'd rather give Limond credit for a battling effort than this weak-sauce conspiracy "he was robbed!" stuff...cheapens it for me, reminds me of the bad taste about Douglas-Tyson.

Limond had his big chance, there was a load of time left in the round, and he failed. He should've been the stronger in the next round, and he failed there too. Brutally put, he lost the fight because Khan was ultimately better than him, at withstanding his attempts at finishing the fight and fighting back under pressure.

I would certainly like to see Limond fight again, he looked well-schooled and tight both attacking and defending, and I would be upset of rumours about his forced retirement are true. But he was not robbed in this fight.

 

AllyT,

I have mixed feeling about this fight, YES the referee was sympathetic to Amir Khan and gave him a chance. If the fight were in Scotland with a Scottish referee then I doubt the referee would have been as sympathetic and Amir Khan would have been counted out.

However, equally Limond's response following the count was poor. Willie had shaken Khan to his boots and Khan was there for the taking but Willie just lacked the determination to find that extra strength and courage to finish him.

I really would like to see a re-match and I'm sure if Willie wanted one he could get one.

I am interested to see what happens with Amir Khan, every boxer with an ounce of bottle knows they can beat Amir Khan as long as the connect well on his chin.

I think if Willie had a rematch with Amir I'm sure he wouldn't hold back so much and would be using his right frequently.

Regards,


John :good