kahn is on his feet in 5 seconds then takes a knee for the 8 count whats so hard to understand bout that.
Clearly not, one of the stills poste dabove shows kahn on the canvas at 2.04. The referee is seen holding up 5 fingers at the 1.59 point on the clock meaning that that count indeed started at 2.04 and at 1.54, 10 secoonds after the clock struck 2.04 he is shown in the still picture as being down on one knee. Thats about as clear as possible.
It is as clear as any wrong decision you will ever see in boxing. Khan should have lost but nothing will be done about it. Disgrace.
Wow you guys are looking at this in depth. Lets just look at this the boxer who was always gonna win the fight won. Khan was the better boxer in the fight and it was planned to be that way from when it was signed. Now please lets move on and find out who the next hand picked opponent is gonna be.
Precisely! 2:04 let this one slide 2:03 "One" 2:02 "Two" 2:01 "Three" 2:00 "Four" 1:59 "Five" 1:58 "Six" 1:57 "Seven" 1:56 "Eight" 1:55 "Nine" 1:54 "Ten and Out" 1:53 "Still out" By dropping at "Eight", Khan failed to show within 8 seconds that he was ready to box. Breach one.(It has been incorrectly stated Khan was 'taking the knee'. That is not the case. Taking the knee is acceptable on the rise, we teach this to our boxers. However having risen and taken the mandatory eight going back down it shows the boxer is unable to continue. To claim a second knockdown is also not valid as it breaches Rule 38.i 38. The following acts shall not be permitted during a Contest:- i. intentional falling without receiving a blow By failing to be up and ready to box in ten seconds breach two. By failing once raised to show the referee he was ready to box, breach 3.Compare Limond’s reaction to his knockdown. He raises, puts his gloves up right away and takes a definite step forward, indicating he is ready to box. Khan rose late puts his gloves up somewhat lethargically and fails to take a step forward. This is not a case of a boxer falling foul of some obscure technical breach; it is a case of the rule book being torn up to accommodate the golden boy.
Put perfect. That is the same assessment that I have made. The golden boy part rings too true as well.
Ally stop being ridiculous. The count is not done in real time, it is done on the refs hands. The ref was at 8, when Khan went to a knee and the ref told him to get up. There was clear confusion with Khan, his corner and the ref. Human error on both parts. Thankfully it was for the good because you want Limond to win because of a mistake. Khan was fine to continue. Infact he pretty much got up straight away and it was the ref that said he needs to take a mandatory 8. Khan was ready to continue before the 8 count. It is because of the mandatory 8 that Khan went to a knee. He then saw, as did the ref, that there was nothing left to count. Why? Because the ref started counting at 5 and not 1. Probably another mistake considering Limond wasn't in his corner yet (unless there are different rules in different places).
You are ignoring the fact that count has human delay factor and isnt compuerized as other have said. In any case lets go over your supporting arguments. Breach 1: When you say "By dropping at "Eight", Khan failed to show within 8 seconds that he was ready to box. Breach one." Which point in the rule says that its a breach for a fighter not to be up at 8? It simply says "The Referee shall not permit a Boxer to continue boxing, if in his opinion he is able to do so, until the expiration of 8 seconds following the knock down. " Breach 2,3: "By failing to be up and ready to box in ten seconds breach two. By failing once raised to show the referee he was ready to box, breach 3" If you want to strictly go by the rules you are overlooking one significant point which I have also mentioned before. Its your subjective opinion that the rule cannot mean as I say since it would otherwise be like a musical chair. You need to show me where in the rule book it cannot mean as I say. For example, NY state boxing commision covers this: " Should a contest who is “down” arise before count of ten is reached and again go down intentionally, without being struck, the referee and timekeeper shall resume count where it left off. " http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/New_York_State_Athletic_Commission The is not covered by the BBBoC rules. " Should a Boxer go down to the floor as the result of a legitimate blow, the Timekeeper shall count off the seconds strictly in accordance with his watch. The opponent shall retire immediately to the furthest neutral corner and neither Boxer shall resume boxing until ordered to do so by the Referee. In this Regulation 3.32, “down” shall mean one or more of the following:- when a Boxer falls from the boxing ring beyond the ring apron as a result of a legitimate blow; or when a Boxer is on one foot or both feet and at the same time any other part of his body is touching the floor of the boxing ring; or when a Boxer is supported on the ropes of the boxing ring and, in the opinion of the Referee, is unable to defend himself; or when a Boxer is in the act of rising and in all of the above cases, a Boxer shall be considered to be down until he has regained his feet within the boxing ring and is in a position and a condition to defend himself" Hence, once Khan got up and went down volunatarily according to BBBoC rules, the count should be restarted in accordance with the BBBoC rule and its 10-7 round. This is because rule 32 takes effect as long as the definition of "down" is statisfied. BBBoC should add the following to definition of "down" as is documented in the NY state commision. " Should a contest who is “down” arise before count of ten is reached and again go down intentionally, without being struck, the referee and timekeeper shall resume count where it left off. "
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Khan was up straight away. The ref said he has to wait for an 8 count. He went down to one knee because he was confused as he corner had told him to. The ref realised the confusion and told him to get up. There was confusion for Khan as the ref made a mistake. Like I said ULTIMATELY the mistake was a good thing because Khan was fit to continue. You prefer Limond win because of a mistake? Don't beat around the bush, Limond won two rounds at best!
It was Khan who won because of a mistake. The 8 count was not an error it is in the rules and is This content is protected If Khan and his team did not know the rules then the blame for that lies with them and no one else. Had the referee correctly stopped the bout, Khan would no doubt have cried foul as he was unsure of the rules. However all that would prove was, that he and his team were so arrogant they did not bother to consider a KD, in which case they deserved to lose. The referees first mistake was not to stop the bout when Khan drops during the count. The picture you find amusing, clearly shows at after the stipulated ten seconds Khan obviously has no idea whether it is New Year or New York. This is the referees second mistake. When Khan finally rises he is still in a state of confusion. By allowing him to continue the referee made his third mistake. The fact that Khan went on to win makes no difference, as the referee has to officiate in the moment and not with hindsight. Although this worked for Khan on the day it could have gone badly wrong. The reason for this is, allowing an already concussed boxer to continue places him at severe risk of 'secondary concussion'. Secondary concussion is far more dangerous than any initial brain injury and is a major cause of dementia in contact sports. Despite what you may think, the referee failed to protect the boxer. If Khan is allowed to continue with his current reckless style and is sheltered from his mistakes by home town decisions he will in my view end up punch drunk. From Khans point of view I believe that it would have been better for him in the long term if the result had gone the other way. The lad desperately needs a reality check, and this should have been it. By protecting him from a legitimate KO they only reinforce his delusions of invincibility. The example I would give is Alex Arthur, I have watched most of his fights and am a fan, I was there to support him against Willie Limond and I saw him defeated by Gomez. Gomez was the best thing that ever happened to Arthur. He gave him a much needed reality check and as a consequence Arthur is now a better boxer and a better man. Rules are there to ensure fair play, if they are not properly observed the sport ceases to be fair and therefore ceases to be a true sport. There are more and more rivals to boxing springing up. If they are deemed by the public to be more even handed, fans will drift away from boxing as the predictability of results makes it look like the 21st century version of WWF. My concerns here are not for Limond as that is now a done deal, but if there is enough stink raised about bad decisions it might just help the next victim.
The ref said he needed to take the 8 count. Khan wanted to fight straight away. The ref said you need to go to 8 so he went to an 8 to wait out the count. As soon as he put his knee down the ref was on 8 anyway. The ref knew this so told him to get up. Basically the ref saved him from making a grave mistake.