Willie Pastrano Footwork

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Just take a few minutes to admire this tribute to dancing naster Willie Pastrano! Poetry in motion as they say so often, but this is the real thing..Taken from close but title winning bout with Harold johnson in June '63. You can clearly see how he influenced Ali...
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czBnNDb3lXc[/ame]
     
    red cobra, Mar 17, 2012
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  2. LSDarthMaul

    LSDarthMaul New Member Full Member

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    Yeah,im reading a Muhhamad ALi book,and they talk about how Willie Pastrano got wopped by Ali when Ali was still a teen,I did some research on this guy thinking that he would be a journeymen,turns out this guy is a Hall of Famer.Going to watch some of his fights.
     
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  3. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    I should follow him more I really should. Fits my bill for the typical technically brilliant, smart punch placer I go for. His fight with Johnson is one of my favs. Thanks rc, stuff like this keeps boxing burning in me. It's always the fighters from the ol school gutsy and/or usually technical that brings the fire for boxing in me constantly blazing.
     
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  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    :thumbsup...Pastrano-Johnson is one of my favorite fights, from a purely class act point of view. Pastrano's high water mark.
     
    red cobra, Mar 17, 2012
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  5. DonBoxer

    DonBoxer The Lion! Full Member

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    I always like when Pastrano side steps out lowers his hands and moves his head, he makes liquid look ridged.
     
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  6. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pastrano ventured into the heavyweight ranks a few times and was projected as a challenger for both Patterson and Liston.

    More than likely...it was Cassius Clay that learned from Pastrano....than the other way around.

    Ralph Dupas was also in the same camp.....along with Angelo Dundee and Pastano.
     
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  7. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :deal
     
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  8. LSDarthMaul

    LSDarthMaul New Member Full Member

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    I dont have the energy to start a discussion but Pastrano got outworked by Ali in sparring,in their first meeting.It's in the book,Ali was still a amateur and he was wanting to spar with Willie,one day after many requests Pastrano sparred with Ali and got beat in sparring,Dundee even said:"Your tired champ" to which Pastrano replied:"Are you kidding me I got whopped" or something like that.

    But it may be true,Pastrano was a light-heavyweight while Ali even as a teenager must have been the bigger man,im not saying that Ali didn't learned of him,nor i am trying to start a racial discussion with racists who praise black fighters and talk bad about Marciano,Klitschko,Dempsey,Jeffries and other great white heavyweight fighters.
     
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  9. darling dame

    darling dame Active Member Full Member

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    Wiley Willie was as slick as they come. I was 17 saw this live ch.7,Don Dunphy, a lot of people thought johnson robbed but Willie nudged him,I think.:hey
     
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  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think Willie deserved that decision..I know it can be difficult watching a video of a fight to get the full story, but Pastrano was magic with that jab of his and he had such a great strategy in making Johnson come to him instead of the way most fighters fought Harold. Pastrano was capable of this kind of performance many times over in his career, but his playboy personality kept him from it most of the time. He was a masterful, fast as lightning, skillfull artist in the ring, and he proved it that June night in '63 vs Haold Johnson, IMO. I agree that he influenced Ali profoundly.
     
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  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    bump
     
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  12. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    While its easy to see how much Ali took from Pastrano (and to a lesser degree Luis Rodriguez) I have no doubt that a young Cassius Clay could give Willie everything he could handle in sparring.
     
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  13. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    that brought a tear to my eye, ****ing incredible. can't wait to watch pastrano and johnson in full
     
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  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    :thumbsupcheers Nightcrawler! I knew there were fans of the true art of boxing that would appreciate this thread..as i've said, that fight is one of my favorites...it's a true gem, a Class-A exhibition of boxing's class, by both men, that can never be replicated or even approached by ******* sports like MMA..oh, maybe I've opened a can of worms here..lol,..
     
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  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well, LittleRed, do you consider the size and age differential between the two? The weight divisions were created for the very purpose of matching two guys of a similar size..to keep it fair.
     
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