For a brief time there was a cluster of good Lt Heavies in the 60's. (Not like the 70's ultimate era though). "faded Archie", Harold Johnson Willie Pastrano, Eddie Cotton, Jose Torres, DTiger, Gregoria Peralta, Wayne Thornton., Bobo Olson, Terry Downes, Johnny Persol, Henry Hank, Jimmy Dupree, Chic Calderwood, Roger Rouse, Mauro Mina, ....and then Bob Foster came on the scene.