Willie Pep - Best BOXER Of All Time !

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Bill Butcher, Jul 25, 2008.


  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Easy guys.

    Both Pep & Pea were boxers supreme, masters of their on era.

    Nobody did it like Pep & then nobody did it like Whitaker since Pep.

    My personal opinion is that Willie was the better defensively & probably offensively too.
    Benny Leonard was the original.... Willie Pep took it up a notch yrs later..... then Pernell took it to Benny`s level yrs later but not quite to Pep`s level IMO.
    3 master boxers that owned their era but didnt have real KO power like some of the other greats, thats why they were so good, they had to be slick & they were.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

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    :blood

    That's a weird thing to say right there. You can't do much more than totally school someone. One of the worst decisions in history should not be held against someone, crikey Suze.
     
  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hector Camacho was a lightweight for all of the first year of Pea's professional career, so you're going to hold it against him that he never fought him? By the time Whitaker was prime, Camacho wasn't even worth fighting. He was losing to guys like Haugen. Heck even as early as 1986 he was losing to Edwin Rosario.

    Now as for Rosario, Whitaker could have foguht him, but instead he chose to fight the guys who beat him, like Ramirez and Nazario. Why would he fight him in say 1988 instead of Ramirez? Ramirez had beaten him already and performed much better against Chavez than did Rosario.


    LMFAO, I bet you haven't even seen an entire Pep fight. :patsch

    Oh, and in some of Pep's biggest fight, he outright quit, so don't try and tell me about how Whitaker didn't command fights and was running a track meet.

    In his prime Whitaker commanded everyone, with ease.


    He was closer to his peak than what Whitaker was when most saw him defeat DLH :good
     
  4. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Benny Leonard actually had quite a bit of pop. He scored some impressive knockouts.

    IMO, Benny is above both Whitaker and Pep when it comes to career accomplishments.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    Whitaker and Rosario were actually slated to fight at one time, might have even been signed. I never did read what actually stopped the bout going ahead. Pretty sure the circumstance was with Pernell as the title holder and Rosario beltless. I seem to recall it being around Loy time. Maybe they were looking past Nazario, but i think it might have been a fraction earlier and am guessing he chose shot at Anthony Jones. Just a stab in the dark tho.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    Did you know Ray Arcel rated Benny the greatest fighter he ever saw? Made BIG mention of his incredible feinting ability among other things saying it had boxers doing things they didn't want to do and put them exactly where Benny wanted them. The impression his comments left me with was that Leonard had them going like puppets.
     
  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's huge praise, but he may well be justified in giving it. Leonard beat the best lightweights during a great lightweight era over and over again. His consistency was quite remarkable considering.

    Even looking at him on film a little past his prime against Lew Tendler, you can see great feinting, the footwork of a master fencer, and the balance of a cat.
     
  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pity it didn't happen. Pity their primes didn't really coincide either. Would have been interesting around 1988-89 but even more interesting around 1986-7.