Willie Pep is he the 'Greatest Pure Boxer' Of all time?

Touchy McVey? I wasn't being funny with you there, and it wasn't my criteria, it was the criteria of the GPater who was the poster that started the thread and therefore the criteria that satisfies the question. Me and Mantequilla asked GPater to be a give us a strict definition and he did. It was his question to the board. Maybe you should have read through the thread before jumping on me, hardly any need.

So Locche ticks GPater's boxes and for this thread that's all that counts.

 

Willie could share the title of "most pure boxer" with Whitaker, Locche, Loughran, Canto and for the short time that he was so gifted, Wilfred Benitez.

 

Good Post I agree :good

 

See a guy like Benitez was often more of an outright counterpuncher than anything else(though not as much as Locche).

He was outboxed by both Leonard and Hearns and failed to distinguish himself from Emilaino Villa technically.On the other hand he thoroughly outboxed Cerantes imo, only losing three rounds at most.Those are the best technical fighters he fought.

Sure you can say he was better at not getting hit technically than those guys, but strictly speaking he DID get hit more, was outboxed in the real sense of the word, and lost the fights against Leonard and Hearns.it presents a bit of a conundrum.

in other words the answer is Ray Robinson

 

Sorry i was about to say 'the thread starter', then changed it to GPater, my fault.

Okay i was just going with the flow of the post when we were going by your definitions. But we can go by our own now, mine is the same as yours anyway.

 

slightly past his prime? Pep was CLEARLY past his prime. John Garfield testified this as he saw Pep both in his prime and past his prime. According to John, pep was 50% better pre plane crash. When you break your back and suffer other permanant damage in a plane crash, you are never going to be the same physically...the fact pep was even able to fight again let alone defeat an ATG in sandy saddler speaks on his greatness.

 

Not really Mate, just being a bit whimsical . I like your posts and respect your knowledge.Indulge an old man.No offence intended.:good
My post was a rambling one I probably bored the **** out of all you guys ,apologies!:good

 

Good Post, I have heard that also That Pep was past his prime before the Saddler fights and the fact that he beat Sadler clearly in a fight that was not marred by wrestling and foul tactics. If John Garfield saw it that way that fortifies my previous belief because Garfield knows his stuff firsthand

 

I would answer yes.

 

Shoot me Suzie! What should I say ? A ruined Pep?
The fact is ,to me Saddler was a very great Feather,maybe no2.
Pep is THE MAN at the weight for me peace!

 

Hi McVey i just saw your reply now, no apology needed, i think i was being a bit of a girl there sorry!
I respect you very much so as well and always read your posts. Sorry there mate.

 

Hmmmmmmm.........Canto? I think there is your answer there.

 

Very nice.