Willie Pep is he the 'Greatest Pure Boxer' Of all time?

I;m glad you expressed your opinion on the defense of Hearns, so i'm not alone. maybe you are right on Locche, but i actually do think he contends here, because of the thing you think might actually take away from him in his immense ability to avoid punches. But i see your opinion and it's definitely arguable. Because when we say HITTING without being hit, amybe we can elaborate on that and debate does hitting mean hitting with some substantial effect? (where Robinson may come into play), or just adequate? Which would be Locche, who is largely countering consistently.

 

Yeah i agree i think. Are you of the opinion that fighting a defensive fight against Hearns is an outright recipe for failure regardless of the fighter?

Just asking for an opinion, not trying to set you up or anything malicious.

 

yes Wilde used to act surprised when he saw the fim crew there and refuse point to fight if either he was paid or the crew were "off hired " Teeto did you know Driscoll owned a pub here in Cardiff called the Edingburgh castle and had a liking for trotting horses ? his gym util recntly was intact here above a pub named the Royal Oak owned and ran up until recently by his niece a lovely old lady named kitty Flynn .

 

99 KO's in 137 victories. That constitues as "most of", and certifies anyone as a legitimate KO puncher.

That doesn't mean it was of no use, it simply means he either wasn't big enough or good enough on the day to beat his opponents.

What does that even mean?

You're the only one who would think so. You seem interested in Wilde as a fighter, if that's the case I suggest doing a lot more research on him because you don't really seem to have the man down.

 

I think it's his power (in combination with his 'pure boxing' skills) that make him such a hard guy to outbox.

If it wasn't for his power, I think he could be outboxed by a few guys. As I said, I prefer to leave issues of power out of it altogether. If power is included, then Hearns would probably take it, of course if power and chin are part of the notion of pure boxing, it's probably Ray as Mante says.

 

Opting to box with Hearns period is a recipe for failure. Other tactics are needed to beat him.

 

Nar i never knew that either JW. Thanks for that. John Conteh's brother used to always come in a shop that my mum and dad had in the early 90s. They knew him quite well, but only as a customer type thing.

 

Ohhh don't get rattled mate because someone questions ESB's undisputed Know all , you question me when i say Wilde could box ? wilde was probably one of the best boxers of his generation sure he posessed freak power for a wee fella but do you think he used to out slug every opponent regardless of his slight frame ? utter bull**** ,, Wilde was a pure boxer , not the best but one of them imo .

 

No worries mate from what ive read Jimmy led a charmed life , once he fought a qualifier to fight in the states ( Pre first tour ) but didnt get selected to go , just as well really because the guy who did get selected perished on the Titanic , once after his last fight when he got sucker punched by Villa at the end of round two he fought on auto pilot until he got stopped , he lay close to death and an american middle weight who was at the fight decided he sould recoup at his home on an island off manhattan once Wilde had regained some sort of conciusness , just befor they docked the row boat a lighting bolt struck the jetty killing two blokes waiting to tie the boat up , mad times he lived through lol

 

True.

Anyone who can outbox a prime Ray Leonard for the best part of 12 rds would classify as a master boxer IMO.

He beat a very good Benitez by a landslide too. Hearns was a great boxer no doubt.

 

Some pure boxer. Not once in this clip does he attempt to control the center of the ring with a jab, nor does he throw a punch without bad intentions.

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Same here against Villa, who outdoes him in the boxing areas by countering his wide swings and lunges with clean shots. Again, you're the first person I've heard that's even tried to write Wilde in as a pure boxer. He was more or less the exact opposite, unless you consider someone like Naseem Hamed a pure boxer as well.

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I've got a soft spot for well-rounded textbook fighters like Davila, acavallo and Kalule as pure boxers as well.Guys who didn't fight defensively, nor had any overly notable physical ability(ideally they would be heavy handed boxerpunchers stylistically), but peformed very well anyway through the sheer precision of their fundamentals and subtle boxing skills.




As an aside have you got around to making that Lora highlight yet, sweet.

 

Oh very good yea , the Symonds fight Jimmy was swinging because he knew Symonds was a boxer ( trying his luck early probably ) also the Villa fight when Jimmy had been retired a full two years of course he was swinging from his boots hoping for an early ending ,you seem an experienced chap have you eve heared the saying horses for courses ? Driscoll was his trainer in all but name he was a pure Boxer as well don't you think he would have passed on his experience to Wilde ? and how come Wilde wrote books on the sweet science of pure boxng if he was just a slugger like you claim BTW Im a tad pissed up now so sorry for the late reply lol .

 

Don't worry mate it's coming.

I'm still building up my collection of Lora fights. I've got the Perez, Canizales and Davila 2 fights right now and I'm in the process of getting the first Davila fight and well as his fights against Sanchez, Avelar and Lopez. Would love to get my hands on the Zaragoza and Vasquez fights too if I could.

I wish I could compile highlights like that latest Pernell Whitaker compilation that a fellow poster created here ('liver shot' I believe it was). Mine will be second rate, but Lora's skills should put enough flash into it to compensate I'm sure :good

 

Sounds absolutely great.