Willie Pep is he the 'Greatest Pure Boxer' Of all time?

Man you guys are hardcore here , Btw Naz Hamed was the purest boxer of all time ....

 

Nice shouts with the soft spot ones Mante. May i put forward a man who i may have a soft spot for myself..... Marc Johnson

 

I'll drop it here in the classic section as soon as it's done. Give me about a month or so:good

Naz arguably received the purest schooling of all time

 

He's another bloke that deserves a highlight clip. Give me two months

 

twas a thing of beauty mate lol turnbuckle and all .

 

Sure, but what evidence exists of Wilde's pure boxing skills, be it from film or accounts? By all accounts (that I've read) the man was a puncher and a slugger first and foremost. Obviously not an unskilled brute, as he was able to properly deliver the KO punch time and again, but I wouldn't lump him in as a boxer at all. Based on what I know, he would've been a similar stylist to the aforementioned Hamed for his era. An unorthodox power puncher, able to draw his opponents in for the bomb, often as a cause of their mistakes and the unorthodox angles he threw from.

Driscoll was a technician through and through, far the superior to Wilde in that regard, both from what I've seen and read. I've never seen nor read anything of Wilde to put him in the category of a pure boxer, or a box-oriented fighter in general. Then again I've never read any of his books, but I'd be interested in hearing any tidbits he gave from a technical standpoint if you've read them.

 

Sad to see the ghost of MAB v Khan .

 

Take all the time you want mate, you're the boss around here:good

 

I have been trying to get hold of Jimmy wilde's " the Art of Boxing " series for many years but thus far unsucsesful however when i do obtain them you will be the first person they are loaned to . Jimmy Wilde could box if the occasion warrnted it , i have read this coming from him himself hence my inclusion of him in this topic .

The middle paragraph was mine not Pea's lol

 

BTW According to Wilde's wife Liz Bethan , Villa came into the dressing room and when he saw the state of Wilde he said something in broken engish along the lines of Sorry his backers told him to do it , Hit Jimmy late that is , i ain't taking anything away from villa here either and its a pity he died of blood poisoning aged 23 , the world was robbed of a class fighter imo . what could have been ?

 

Pancho Villa was a great fighter. There was no chance he was losing to that version of Jimmy Wilde that night regardless. People talk of a primitive era, and i'm not saying that's flat out wrong, but Pancho Villa would have no problem fighting in any era in my personal opinion.

 

I agree , Wilde was way passed his best and if his money man hadn't lost a great deal of his money then off'ed himsef he would not have come back but i think a reputed £10,000 purse money for the fight was the incentive .

 

Yeah that's what i meant by 'that' version of Wilde, plus the fact he was facing an all time great in Pancho Villa.

 

Sweat pea , Here is a Technical titbit i read , sorry in advance for the TYPO's

Taken from "Fighting was my buisness " Jimmy Wilde ...

The Second fight with Murray in Philadelphia on May 13th was drawing near and i had to get down to some seious training , i remember from the previous bout only too well particuarly the long right handed punch that had virtually finished him ,

I remember asking Liz Beth if she remembered it : needlessly, for i think she remembered (and still does ) far more about the fights than i do myself ,
and why ? she asked .
because its going to operate a lot earlier tonight i said , a piece of bagging that did not get me the punch on the back of the head it deserved . had it come i would have had the last laugh on Lisbeth ,

never the less Murray had something that few of the others pocessed that typical whirlwind fighting of the Americans made him come in like a veriable tornado and he shook me early with three hooks to my head the crowd were on their feet again would murray take his opponent this time ?

Happily there was no more than a shaking in his punches and i was not dazed by them i can hearthe roaring now ."there he goes , put him away BAT , put him away and Bat and was after that all right but he left his face open and just before the gong i found a right that crashed into his jaw lifting him off the canvas so that he glided several feet through he air , i think that was the heaviest punch i had landed on an American opponent and how he came back for the second i will never know .

but he did , and with a rush again but he was comparitavley easy to dodge and i felt it SAFE to fight it out with him on the BEAR - CAT principle . Murray liked that until i drew back then let fly wiha left hook ,he hit the floor face down and stayed for several seconds . swaying to his feet on the count of 8 , a light tap witha left sent him toppling downwards again, i think the crowd would have liked another hook but where was the need ?

Referee Pat O'Brien waved me back to the corner and then there started a positive free for all that showed me how i could rely on the enthusiasm of the American crowd . in fact they were so anxious to pat my back it needed a dozen policemen ( sorry cops ) using their battons to get me back to my dressing rooms ,

Murray managed to find a smile despite his battered face when he came to see me later
in my dressing room ,i wish all boxers could make a habit of making that jesture although it is not always possible ..

Sweat Pea in that clipping we see Wilde employ the BEAR / CAT principle ,,,,Jimmy could BOX as well as Slug and Murray from other reports i have heared wasn't a slouch either .