willie pep vs sammy angott?

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I posted quotes from next-day reports.

 

The two reports posted dont suggest that Angott won by outboxing Pep as you said ,but rather that he roughed up Pep ,as Saddler would later do.

 

Out-boxing is not limited to out-fighting (long-range fighting), one can out-box an opponent in both in- and out-fighting. It wasn't in John Ruiz-manner, for sure, was much more entertaining for reporters and spectators alike. Angott proved to be better boxer than that version of Pep.

 

I boxed so think I know what "out boxing" means.
Angott outfought him which is a different thing alltogether imo.
I doubt Pep was out boxed in the pure sense of the word.

 

Young Pep often chose to mix things on his own anyway. If he were as elusive, as some people here think, he (at this age and before the crash) would have little trouble staying away from past-prime semi-retired Angott. Although one author (I think, from the UP) compared Angott with Greb in their absence of style in the ring, resulting in lack of recognition by contemporary writers, but it's foolish to think they achieved what they did by just being rough.

 

You talk about Angott as though he was some relic ,the guy was 28 years old and had fought 6 months previously ,and would go on to fight for another 7 years.
I never suggested Angott was just rough but reports of the fight state clearly that was how he won the fight,by making it very physical and mauling, he was naturally the bigger man and the tactics worked.
NOWHERE HAVE I SEEN A REPORT SAYING HE OUT BOXED PEP,APART FROM WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY POSTED.Which is a personal opinion.Not confirmed by news reports.

 

I talk about Angott as he was talked about in the press at the time, not by looking up his birthdate or examining his record.

Once more, two points:
1. if Pep was so elusive and clever, he'd use his footwork to keep away from Angott, it was far from his first time when his opponent tried pressuring him, or attempted to prevent him countering them by closing the distance, he also had 10 rounds to adjust his tactics;
2. this Pep was known to slug it out at times willingly, one of the reports mentioned that Pep was fighting as rough as Angott in this fight, and as the INS report pointing out it wasn't because Angott was the bigger man, he was just a better boxer this time (which was a surprise to all the reporters and the bookmakers as well). Thus I used word "out-boxed".

 

I'll try saying it differently.

Did Angott beat Pep, because of his awkward rough style and because of being slightly bigger man in this fight? Based on simply reading that first clipping, and remembering Angott's ring nickname, some people would think that is the reason he won. In my opinion, and in the opinion of several of the reporters, it wasn't simply because of that.

 

in those days people regarded that as quite a break now adays its normal. how times have changed

 

..senya...so what do you consider a contemporary report..one done on the day BEFORE the fight?

yeah...as the clutch made willie fight his (angott's ) fight i think we could say he outboxed him.

 

Let us not forget that Angott was also considerably the bigger man.

 

I haven't forgotten, th e fight reports Ive seen, say Sammy outmuscled Pep, and dragged him into a brawl/maul,similar to how Saddler beat him later.I saw no mention of Sammy's finesse

 

Contemporary is written about the time the event had taken place. In case of fight report - published next day after the bout.


Absolute majority of Pep's fights were at lightweight limit (above featherweight's 126lbs), so what is there to complaint about, "considerably bigger"? He was fighting lightweights every 8 or 9 fights out of 10.

 

Do you need it explaining ?
Angott was a natural Lightweight who fought on even terms with Ike Williams etc.
Pep was a natural Feather.
Seems pretty clear to me.
ps Angott had 130 fights 57 of them as a welterweight .