Willie Pep - would his fans please justify his placement in their top all time lists

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  1. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course he is somewhat brilliant, that is why is was a world champion -fullstop- Since when did being just brilliant justify being top 10 ATG, there are several brilliant fighters around today -fullstop-
     
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  2. McGrain

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    Very well; he is brilliant enough to justify being on a top 10 ATG list.
     
    McGrain, Jul 16, 2007
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  3. UpWithEvil

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    Are you posting via telegraph?
     
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  4. McGrain

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    More likely via his arsehole.

    Though I really like China, he's just made a series of errors and misjudgements which have resulted in this ludicrous opinion.
     
    McGrain, Jul 16, 2007
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  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Frankly,

    I can't see anyone receiving much credibilty who says that Willie Pep isn't a top ten featherweight. The guy was undefeated through his first 62 fights, and retired with about 220 something wins, with only about 11 losses. What's more he once defeated Sandy Sadler, who some say may quite possibly be THEE greatest feather in history. To say that Pep isn't a top ten guy, is about the same as claiming that Joe Louis isn't a top ten heavyweight, or that Robinson wasn't a top ten middleweight.

    It's a rather crappy argument if you ask me.
     
    mr. magoo, Jul 16, 2007
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  7. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am talking top 10 at all weights, even I have him as a top 10 featherweight
     
    China_hand_Joe, Jul 16, 2007
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  8. McGrain

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    China so far you have failed to:

    Point out the fights Pep should have taken instead of the one he did.

    Point out any flaws in any of his boxing.

    Disect his opposition. You've claimed you could have beaten most of the guys he's taken on but that really doesn't consititute any kind of evidence unless i've seen you fight on film (i look forward to that day).

    As to why he should be on there you've been told: tremendous record, beaten some good fighters, looks amazing on film, beaten another ATG featherweight in Saddler.

    You've failed to refute any of this. You should think about getting on your powerbike and peddaling or getting out the humble pie and eating.
     
    McGrain, Jul 16, 2007
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  9. mr. magoo

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    Why didn't you specify then that you were doing a pound for pound all time comparison? Personally, I find it very difficult to create such a list, given all the fighters that have existed in every division over the past century or so. That being said, I don't know if Pep is pound for pound a top ten all time great, but rest assured, that his name will always be mentioned the best of them....
     
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  10. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    P4P he is roughly on par with a 150 lb Floyd Mayweather (who is fighting above his optimum weight) That is nothing to be ashamed of by any means

    Sam Angott was just about first opponent he fought that you could argue was better than Marcus Beyer is, and Pep lost that fight, I could beat at least 100 of Pep's opponents, it is an incredibly padded record
     
    China_hand_Joe, Jul 16, 2007
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  11. UpWithEvil

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    You couldn't beat 100 Mexican cab drivers.
     
    UpWithEvil, Jul 16, 2007
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  12. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where in the hell is a prime Saddler calibre opponent on Floyd's resume? So far his claim to fame is a close fight with DLH during the double chin phase of his career.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Sweet, where do you have Saddler on your featherweight list? Or is he on you ATG p4p list?
     
    McGrain, Jul 16, 2007
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  14. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I actually have him # 10 all time p4p. Perhaps a tad high, I can live with that criticism, but the guy was awesome. Not necessarily that great outside the featherweight division, but at 126, with the strength, reach and height advantage he had, he would be HELL for any feather ever born and yet to be born.

    I have him # 3 all-time at feather behind Armstrong and Pep, but I wouldn't argue too much with anyone that has him 1 or 2.
     
    sweet_scientist, Jul 16, 2007
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  15. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Saddler would be in the top 30 for me I imagine, not far behind Pep at all
     
    China_hand_Joe, Jul 16, 2007
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