Willie Pep - would his fans please justify his placement in their top all time lists

:good
Exactly, ive made similar posts/points in the past and only Drew can come up with a solid enough argument to counteract those claims.

some people seem far too content with myth, rather than digging a little deeper

 

he's done both what's your point?

 

So Freitas should not be criticised for what he done against Corrales because he's not Mexican?

 

And thats still got nothing to do with a willie pep thread.atsch

 

Fair enough...but, from what I've gathered from your arguements, that has less to to with Pep's ability, and more to do with the fact that there have been a lot of sensational fighters in the history of the sport.

Still, one would find it tough to believe that there have been, say, twenty fighters who have been better and more dominant against their contemporaries than Pep was at his best.

 

You got it :good

 

Drew, we have had our disagreements in the past on this subject, but my rankings weigh heavily on who a fighter did beat rather than who a could beat, I said a couple of weeks ago that I rank Pep in the 11-20 range rather than the top ten, solely for the following reasons: -
- there is at least 10 fighters who have better resume's
- he couldnt do anything of note at a higher weight
- it is widely accepted that he was known to have taken a dive
- he quit in a world title fight


Do you mark him down at all for the last two points above?

 

sorry I couldnt find an emoticon for "thumbs down", so this will have to do...

This content is protected

 

Why should I criticize a caucasian boxer for quitting? :huh

 

I have Pep number 5 on my list.

1. Ali
2. Robinson
3. Armstrong
4. Gans
5. Pep

:good

 

CHJ jokes in a half serious way, where he is making a point but trying to be funny at the same time. some of the points brought up by myself and Sonny's Jab are valid, the whole point of the classic forum is not only reminisce over great fighters of the past but to look a little bit deeper and determine whether commonly held opinions are right.

His resume is good but there are better, alot better.