willie pep's best performance?

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  1. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    maybe saddler 2 but what do you guys think
     
  2. burt bienstock

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    Willie Pep gave so many great performances,before his plane accident in 1947, some of which I'd seen, but the one I jever saw was in 1944 when Pep beat a lightweight great boxer Willie Joyce, who beat the great Ike Williams 3 times. Willie Pep at this stage of his career was almost surreal...
     
  3. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    more prime willie is the thing missing from my life, no work till 6, bled youtube dry hours ago. of all fighters pep may be the best to watch.
     
  4. Nightcrawler

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    a shame his best form isn't on film and his best victory (saddler 2) isn't available
     
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    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am not sure , but I think so. I saw that bout on our little 12" television screen..
     
  7. kingfisher3

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    that's cool if it does, might turn up in public oneday.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPpRGrOeMxo[/ame]
    some nice moves especially early

    edit. not saying its his best fight
     
  8. Duodenum

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    Maybe Sal Bartolo III, on June 7, 1946. Willie unified the World FW Championship in this one, and it was Pep's last title fight before the plane crash. Sal was only stopped twice in 97 bouts. (The first of these came in 1940, when recent Bartolo points victim Abe Denner came from behind to stop him in eight rounds on a badly torn ear in a quick rematch.) The second and last time was when Pep conceded only round five, then got Sal counted out in the 12th with a jaw fracturing right before an MSG audience. (The vanquished was subsequently out of commission for two and a half years before coming back in January 1949 to close his career with a pair of wins.) Willie himself indicated that Bartolo had excellent skills, a real pain in the ass to box against, who exchanged knockdowns with Pep in their first match during 1943, pushing him then to a ten round SD.

    Certainly, Saddler II was his greatest win, but if we're looking for his physical peak, then, factoring in the timing of his plane crash, Bartolo III might be a likely candidate.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    what's his best filmed performance
     
  10. Duodenum

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    I'd be looking for action preceding his plane crash, like this rare clip (not great quality footage, but essential viewing like 1940s Robinson):

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNhKyvrGp_4[/ame]
     
  11. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Pep-Ralph Walton
     
  12. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Against Chaves he even shows some nice offensive moves If I remember correctly....moving forward sometimes and everything......
     
  13. burt bienstock

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    This fight in 1952 ,shows a shell of the great Willie Pep I saw in his prime
    many years before.
     
  14. Duodenum

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    Burt what are your comments about the Pep-Walton footage from January 1945, when Willie was 22, yet already 83-1-0, and a FW Champion for over two years at this stage? And take away the hindrances inflicted on his physical abilities by that infamous crash, and does Saddler ever lift the title from Willie?
     
  15. burt bienstock

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    Hi D. Ralph Walton was a journeyman welterweight who Pep fought over the weight, so Pep much lighter, was not terribly motivated for this bout...
    I truly believe the Willie Pep I saw ,BEFORE his near fatal plane crash, would have outboxed the spidery Sandy Saddler when Pep was at his fastest best...He lost some of his astounding quickness after his terrible injuries in 1947. About 1 year later he met the rough,tough elongated Sandy Saddler and lost a 15 rd decision. Incidentally, Pep beat several featherweights in his prime who BEAT Sandy Saddler, for what it's worth...