Wills Firpo Report States Wills Has No Chance With Dempsey

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  1. McGrain

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    It has nothing to do with Rickard.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    In your opinion.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Not really luf. The notion that millionaire world-champion could only fight under the ministrations of Tex Rickard and that doing otherwise was impossible is ludicrous.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    Very few things in life are impossible.

    It still remains a fact that the fight didn't happen because rickard refused to consider it in light of the race riots.

    It remains a fact that when the fight was offered to jack, he signed it.

    In your opinion this has nothing to do with ted. In mine it has everything to do with him.
     
    lufcrazy, Mar 8, 2012
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  5. McGrain

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    I'm sorry, but that's absolutely ridiculous. Where no contract exists, the notion that a third party is the main reason two fighters do not fight is nonsense.
     
    McGrain, Mar 8, 2012
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  6. burt bienstock

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    Mc ,you see everything through a race prism though you wont admit it.
    You are a product of a politially correct era, that exonerates an Ali because of his color, whilst smearing a Caucasian Jack Dempsey because of HIS COLOR...Nothing more, nothing less. Do you not realize or recognize what happened after the Johnson/Jeffries bout in 1910 ? Many people were killed in the riots after the bout,and no promoter would even think of risking another bout between a black heavyweight and a white Champion again...
    Do you in your set mind ignore the fact of history that occured in 1910 ?
    Would you, were you a promoter those bygone days,following those riots
    risk the prospect of investing great sums of money, KNOWING full well,
    Were you to even get a license, [impossible in NY], to risk the very LIKELY
    occurence of new race riots again following a Dempsey/Wills fight...?
    You would be tarred and feathered as a greedy son of a *****, promoting
    this risky fight for greedy MONEY...This was the darn cruel climate of those dark days, whether you Mc like it or not...It was a no win situation for any promoter dumb or greedy enough to even try to solicit the money for this bout...But you Mc [with due respect] fail to understand the gravity of those days, and take pot shots at the actors involved in those days 85 years ago...I try before I post, to put myself in the shoes of the promoters, and fighters of those days, and say to myself "there but for the grace of GOD
    go I ".Yours and my relatives of those days were just as nice as we are.
    just lived in different circumstances...Cheers...
     
    burt bienstock, Mar 8, 2012
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  7. lufcrazy

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    Yes, in your opinion.

    In mine it isn't.
     
    lufcrazy, Mar 8, 2012
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  8. McGrain

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    Try to imagine, for a second, Walker, Greb, De La Hoya, Mosley or Ali being told by a promoter that they can't fight the biggest fight out there.

    Can't, can you?
     
    McGrain, Mar 9, 2012
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  9. McGrain

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    No, YOU see everything through a "race prism". This has absolutely nothing to do with race. It doesn't even have anything to do with Harry Wills. Try to read and understand what I write before you start babbling about race.

    This is the most pathetic and ridiculous thing I have ever read on this forum. The notion you have that white fighters are racially persecuted is nonsensical in the extreme. It's incredible that I actually have to say it to you, it's incredible that it actually comes to this, but a lot of my favourite fighters are white :lol:

    I'm not going to discuss race with you any more at this point; you seem obsessed with it. You go running back to the race card within three posts of a new topic being opened up. Dempsey's relationship with his promotional arm and the NY commission has literally nothing to do with race. At all.
     
    McGrain, Mar 9, 2012
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  10. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Permit me to interject about your question to Luf. You Mc in your effort to win this debate ,forget the ELEPHANT in the room...The race riots that followed the Johnson/ jeffries bout in Reno...In your heart Mc you know that the above fighters ,NONE bigger than Dempsey,HAD to adhere to the same elements that any promoter of the 1920s FACED...Don't you think that promoters liked the smell of greenbacks then as they do today ?:patsch
     
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  11. McGrain

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    You are obsessed with race and the race riots.

    Race riots would not have prevented Dempsey fighting Wills in France.
     
    McGrain, Mar 9, 2012
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  12. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sir, it is YOU who bring up the race card...Yes you...When you say that Dempsey did not fight Wills because he was black. Name me a promoter of those days that the Dempsey entourage refused the offer to fight Wills, except the Michigan promoter who could not come up with the dough...
    Name one...? In a court of law the burden of proof is with you Mc. I want to give it a rest, but the truth brings me back to the fray...Cheers...
     
    burt bienstock, Mar 9, 2012
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  13. McGrain

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    OK Burt. Where? Where have I said that?

    I would have said that I was stressing, very hard, that Dempsey COULD have fought Wills. Not that he did not fight him because he is black.

    I think this race problem is in your head - I haven't said anything like what you accuse me of above but you can't get away from race when you discuss Dempsey and Wills, and the problem has got so severe you are now accusing me of racism.

    I just don't think you've read what i've been writing Burt. I think you just shortwire whenever the subject comes up and start babbling about race and racism.
     
    McGrain, Mar 9, 2012
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  14. Legend X

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    Yes, but let's not imagine that Wills and his manager wouldn't have asked for a pretty big slice of the gate too.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Or maybe not. Wills offer to fight Dempsey for free is likely paper talk, but I think he was a pragmatist.
     
    McGrain, Mar 9, 2012
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