Win you rate higher....Duran over Barkley or Hearns over Hill?

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  1. BENNY BLANCO

    BENNY BLANCO R.I.P. Brooklyn1550 Full Member

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    Both got there wins in weight classes they should have probably not even been in and beat two very good fighters.

    So which win you rate higher and why, Roberto Duran over Iran Barkley or Tommy Hearns over Virgil Hill?
     
  2. mr. magoo

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    I voted for Hearns over Hill. Tommy was stepping up in class to beat an undefeated champion in his prime and one who was the best of his division. It's an underrated win that I think most have forgotten about.
     
  3. Jorodz

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    duran. the performance was incredible, the opponent had demolished hearns himself, it was a tremendous brawl in which he took serious punishment and outthought an opponent who had NUMEROUS physical advantages. one of duran's best victories.

    hearns' win is impressive, a terrific boxing exercise but not quite on the same level for me
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    Good points.
     
  5. BENNY BLANCO

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    I have to choose Hearns over Hill as the higher rated win. Virgil Hill was better than Barkley and just like the middleweight division is 4 weight classes from 135 where Duran established himself, the light heavyweight division is 4 weight classes from 147 where Hearns started and established himself. So the weight division issue is a moot point so you have to go with which beaten fighter was better and Virgil Hill was obviously better.
     
  6. Bummy Davis

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    Duran was incredable vs Barkley and Iran was a tough son of a gun...the kd capped a great win....for one of the best 135lbers ever
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    This is basically how I see it to. Only, you added a very good point about how far removed both men were from their original starting weight classes. Moving up to light heavyweight was a gutsy move for an aging veteran who had been previously stopped on three occasions in lighter classes, even if his next opponent wasn't much of a hitter.
     
  8. Jorodz

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    i can definitely see your point. it's close really. for me it's the nature of the wins and the respective points in their careers. Duran was running hot and cold for YEARS and he was not expected to last against a monster middle. hearns had the build to support light heavy and as noted, was not facing a monsterous puncher. essentially it came down to a jabbing contest, which almost ensures a hearns win. duran had to use every tool in his arsenal and display a heart which many doubted. different types of wins which are hard to compare
     
  9. horst

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    Exactly this IMO.
     
  10. bodhi

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    I agree. Hill is seriously underated. He lost his bouts with his best opposition (Hearns, DM, Jones) but he has a decent resume, many title defences, bounced back from loss very well, fought the most championship rounds since Griffith. Very good win for Hearns. :good
     
  11. bodhi

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    All his is right but Hill was a much better lhw than Barkley mw. That should be taken into account.
     
  12. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are right but do you agree that it's harder to move up from lw to mw than from ww to lhw? Imo it is.
     
  13. Arriba

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    I'd go with Hearns over Hill (STOPPED WITH A BODYSHOT!) because I rate Hill higher than I do Barkley. The Barkley win was great for Roberto but beating the undefeated Virgil Hill at a level above his optimal weight was big for Hearns.
     
  14. Sister Sledge

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    Roy Jones stopped Hill with a bodyshot. Hearns decisioned Hill, but it was very impressive, nontheless
     
  15. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was making a reference to Ya'll Musta Forgot.

    Whenever Virgil Hill is brought up, that lyrics is the first thing that pops into my head :lol: