Wing chun -crossing the wrist-(in-fighting)

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  1. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5mBJLM8tEgw
    Edicts of wing chun states the best attack is at the center line of the opponent inorder to do that, it begins by squaring up and crossing both wrists enabling the attacker to strike directly at the centerline.

    Doesn't this contradict everything that we've been taught? Inorder to do this style you need to stand at your walking gait and take a step forward. Question isn't the body open for savage strikes?
     
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  2. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    1. This isn't a wing chun forum
    2. Wing chun is a limited martial art
     
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  3. Paulie walnutz

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  4. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Two unrelated art forms.

    In boxing you have your bodyweight behind your punches in Wing chun the power is speed derived.
     
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  5. Paulie walnutz

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    Dago try this stand like a wing chun both feet at shoulder width apart. Stretch both hands out and cross them wrist over wrist. Take a step backwards with the right foot assuming your an orthodox fighter. Where are your hands now?

    Body weight you mean weight transference?
     
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    Yes, by bodyweight I do mean weight transference.

    While some basis of the martial arts are similar, that is because they developed efficiently over time so of course there will be some similarities. But the way boxers move, punch, and overall fight is different from Wing Chun.
     
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  7. Paulie walnutz

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fVgnfPsYfz4 20:00
    Ernie shavers short right-hand look at the position of his head over the center. Watch his elbow lifting as he throws upper-cut, including the right-cross. Wing chun does shifting.
     
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  8. Adybrrady

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    Did Bruce Lee not study win chun? But developed jeet kundo as he saw weakness in the style win chun, I think he saw that western boxing techniques were better and adopted them in jeet kundo I think?
     
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  9. Paulie walnutz

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    Thank you adybrady, boxing is sideways sports at every distance. I'm just trying to understand why the owner down the street has 30-40 kids. All of previously mentioned fighters lost at the hands average boxers. This included Duran when he fought sugar Ray Leonard. Yes wc and mike Tyson had flaws to their game.
     
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  10. Mr.DagoWop

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    What is the purpose of this thread dude? Do you expect boxers to start using wing chun in the ring? Get out of here. Boxing beats wing chun 10/10 times every day. Wing chun is a weak martial art.
     
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  11. Paulie walnutz

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    Atg in-fighters fought navel to navel.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jo2JxpcJ2BA

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Jrg9CqOHk

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-OKCYT06B_Y
    George foreman's navel pointed at the bag before swings.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fDd3IRMw_Us
    The forearm block that big George used is called bong sau. The final ko wing chun refers to that fan walking this all done with your navel pointed towards your opponent. I don't condone this navel style.
     
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  12. achillesthegreat

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    Some great concepts in wing chun - centre line, energy, structure etc. Concepts that exist in most martial arts but are nevertheless good. However theory and application are two very different things.
     
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  13. viru§™

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    You mean those karate skills I learned to use against an assailant with a knife won't work?
     
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  14. Mr.DagoWop

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    It's called called a cross arm block and it was used by swordsman to block a sword. Boxers in the late 19th/early 20th century adopted it because boxers didn't fight in combinations that early in boxing history.

    I 100% guaratnee if you ask Foreman what the bong sau is he will think you're crazier than Ali.
     
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  15. viru§™

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    Dago, It looks like Paulie is just pointing out similarities, he's not saying boxers should learn Wing Chun.
     
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