Wing Chun

LOL I liked how the professional fighter is compared against someone who hasnt got a clue how to fight. Regardless of the technique used the pro fighter is most likely to win. The athletism of these guys even not knowing how to fight is a massive advantage already.

Ever seen a thug who beats the **** out of a martial artist? Put a typical MMA student against a rough person and the result may be surprising. I seen them guys who turn up in a class and put the majority to shame.

So what does this tell us? is it the art more superior or is it the man doing the fighting?

 

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First of all, you sound ******ed. So there is one thing that might scare me away because ******s can get pretty ruthless, but if you in any way spark any sort of emotions of mine, you gonna see your life flash before you.

There will be no grappling involved. How are you going to utlize your ground game when there is nothing for you to grapple? you can grapple all you want its not gonna work your just gonna eat a few jabs and side kicks. Just some food for thought.

If you try your WWF grappling on a real fighter your gonna get your face ripped apart and there are a few ways of doing this not just by poking the eye out. I can finger your nose and rip it apart, I can grab your radar ears and join it with my fist until you dont notice yourself, and if you have hair your in trouble or your gonna get skinned, indian style.

You prob grapple with a bunch of losers thats prob why you think you can grapple.

If you know anything about fighting or if your a true fan, you know that when 2 well known grapplers fight it almost never ends by the grapple. Just like in a real fight you can assume that your opponenet knows how to fight thats prob why he's willing to fight. Stupid shiet go practice some more and come back and tell me what you learned.

 

Just at you.

First off I'm not trying to be personal, when I say "me" or "I" I mean any competant grappler, not myself fighting yourself.

A grappler can do all those dirty tricks too, he will just be able to do them from a dominant position? Nothing to grapple? You have a body right? You can't dissapear into thin air right? The grappler who spends large amounts of time takig down resisting opponents is going to be better at taking you down because you don't train stopping a takedown. Also it is much easier to grab sombody (with your face in a safe position FYI) than it is to knock some one out first shot every shot; just basic physics and anatomy.

Dirty fighting is not going to help you more than it is going to hurt you; your like the guy who says "oh I'd just flip out and headbutt and bite that boxer in a real fight" no dummy, he's trained, you aren't, be as dirty as you want, he is just as mean but has real skill behind it.

Instead of believing you can eye gouge or whatever (again, I want you to go for that, you're giving me your arm and letting me posture up), go train a few basic escapes from bottom, a few punch block/posture controll drills, and some actual takedown defense (sprawl, double underhooks, wizzer, switch) and then you might be this grappler killer you imagine youself to be.

Do you want to rely on a hail Mary, or do you want to be able to feel comfortable enough off your back to get up or at least protect yourself?

It's like depending on kicking a guy in the nuts in a strikin contest; it's a nice tool to have, but he does it better and has actual experience and skill beyond that one or two trick. Would you rely on a nutshut to beat a decent kickboxer? It's the same scenario, butthe grappler is in a much better position to seriously injure or kill you, plus most people have some idea of how striking basically works, most have no clue about the reality of how grappling works.

Biting, hair pulling, nut grabbing, eye gouging aren't going to get that guy off you, it's going to **** him off and expose you because you are making fundamental positional mistakes that he has been trained thousands of times to finish.

 

You still need skills to apply dirty tricks. A naturally dirty fighter would have a better chance of winning the fight than the person who hardly use any trick. If you watch some thai boxings, notice that most thai tend to fight more rough than lets say a european fighter. Thats probably because them thai were conditioned to fight like that and it all comes natural.

Have you eye gouge someone in the street before? most likely not. If you do have a fight in certain country you will find that nasty trick is very common.

I was once watching a sparing in a TKD class. A black belt vs a female beginer. First kick she threw was a kick in a nut and it was game over. Why because? it wasnt expected. The black belt didnt expect a low blow and hence wasnt protecting himself. You cant protect yourself from any form of trick if you are unaware and dont practice them yourself.

I see alot of people claim they can defend against a knife when they dont even know how to use a knife. atsch

 

Most people don't even attempt to eye gouge in street fights anyways. That goes back to Beebs' earlier point about the difference between a street fight and a warzone combat situation.

 

So you believe this guy is training his hair pulling and eye gouging on live opponents? As for the TKD class; he wasn't expecting it because he was practicing a sport, expecting it to go by the rules; a street fight does not induce that same sense or fair play.

Most grapplers do train against dirty tactics, it's why there are so many set ups you learn in the first few months that involve things like the arm triangle when they put their hands near your face, it's why it's constantly drilled to keep your eyes out of reach by looking away from the trapped arm in the arm triangle, to keep your head against theirs during the RNC.

99/100 times the guy with the better mix of skill, size, and conditioning is going to win; a grappler is going to have 2/3 of those pretty much every time.

 

Like I said, this depends on who you fighting, doesnt have to be warzone. If someone is willing to stab you with a knife, whats preventing them from gouging your eye out if they havent got a knife to use?

A desperate person would use it if they are getting beat senseless. A poke in the eye could be enough to save yourself and walk away.

 

Replace "knife" with "grappling" and "how to use" with "ever even seen"

Sounds even more absurd now, doesn't it?

 

Of course you dont actually eye gouge in paractice. Being aware and conditioned to use make alot of difference. TKD people learn how to punch but when facing a boxer they get geaten up and I guess you know why.

What make you think streetfighter dont know how to grapple?

The way this thing is going it sound like the best MMA fighter vs a bum.

I can take up boxing class, would that make me like manny pacquiao and able to beat world class fighter. Taking MMA class does not equal to beating up anyone on the street. This is where alot of MMA fan boys get it wrong. They train for a year or so and now think they can take on anyone on the street. According to someone they are able to take on 99%.

 

I think you qoute me out of context there. Well of course it does, it wasnt me who suggested that you can defend against a grappling and not even know what they are.

What I said was, you cant defends against any trick if you dont even know what they are. Same as the TKD wasnt expecting a low blow, like you said they train for sports and wasnt expecting to be kicked in the nuts.

 

I didn't mean it to attack you, but the other guy might finally grasp the reasoning.

Fundamental skills trained thousands of times against real, resisting opponents are the most reliable tools in a fight. You never rise to the occasion, you always fall to the level of your training.

 

I love ignore. All I see is pretty much beebs talking to himself.

It's great to see people still know jack **** about grappling. After 1 year of highschool wrestling I could handle 4-5 years older and bigger guys, easily. They were of the attitude "your wrestling aint ****" except they never even seen grappling before. Funny how EVERYONE goes for that headlock rendering their arm totally useless . The best part is that I've never been so calm in a fight because I know the other person has no clue what he's doing because he's spazzing out.

 

Dude... who's gonna be stupid enough to headlock you? you must be fighting lil'boys. Of course your gonna be able to grapple him now that he has allow himself to get close to you, please apply your grapple in this situation. Bottom line, grappling requires you to fight upclose which, at the same time you are openning yourself up to vulnabilities. It's always that exchange or that risk you are willing to take. For example, if I come up close for the grapple, I must also be aware that I may be eating a couple hits before I get there. And the real question now becomes are you willing to receive a couple blows just to grab onto his waist so that you can take him down and then apply your dominant position?? I much rather now.

Grapplling came to be as the result of MMA style gaming based off of MMA rules and regulations.

Are you really going to believe that your opponent is going to play by these rules??

It's people with this menatally that ends them up on the cement not seeing where it came from.

 

You seem to think MMA has always existed as it does. Rules in MMA, the name "MMA" itself, are relatively new; for decades it was Vale Tudo, with all your super anti grappling tricks allowed; you could fondle all the testicles you want, once in a while it worked. 99% of the time the fighter with better skills won, because for the millionth time, fundamentals win fights, training wins fights, skill wins fights.