WINKY. MARQUEZ. TSZYU. Who was the most effective/impressive fighter in their prime?

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  1. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Just exactly what it says on the tin here.

    Winky Wright. Juan Manuel Marquez. Kostya Tszyu.

    Who was the most effective/impressive fighter h2h in their prime?

    Please explain your choice, the more detailed the better :good
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 31, 2008
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  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Tough question.

    Wright was a nightmare stylewise for most opponents, and has a good resume despite some losses against lesser opposition.

    I wouldn't say he was particularly vulnerable to any particular style either, from what I have seen.

    JMM is a personal favourite of mine, an excellent counter-puncher with good power and decent defence. Also a nightmare for the more attacking fighters such as Pacquiao.

    Tszyu was a very underrated boxer, with amazing power in his right hand - anyone who gave him ground was soon flat on their back.

    However - he only faced two quality pressure fighters in their primes, and lost to both by TKO, which would suggest a weakness here.

    I would have to go for Wright..... with JMM a close second.

    Marquez has achieved more though, multiple weight champ, 2 wins over the P4P #1 (my scoring anyway).
     
    Beeston Brawler, Dec 31, 2008
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  3. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Great post :good
     
    DINAMITA, Dec 31, 2008
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  4. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Marquez - Winky didn't last that long, he only had flashes of brilliance whereas Marquez has shown himself to be consistently a top fighter, beat several fellow legends in their prime including Manny Pacquiao, just stepped up out of his comfort zone and bossed a top lightweight.
     
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  5. heidegger

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    All great, under appreciated fighters. Feels like splitting hairs to rank them.

    Winky is currently wasting his career away not fighting at a time when he really could be establishing himself as a legend. When he returns he will most likely be shot and for some reason is considering him self a super middleweight these days (???).

    Tszyu was an awesome boxer- puncher who inspired fear in his opponents. Tszyu's opponents had that same look of resignation in their eyes after a few rounds that Tysons got, i.e, 'where is a hole I can go climb into'. He ruled a division in a time when it was loaded with talent and made some great fighters look ****. His critics dismiss him saying " omg he was K.O.'ed by PHILLIPS in his prime!!!! :patsch ", as though he is that level of fighter. But this is reductive and obtuse. Most fighters have a weakness, and every now and then there is a lesser fighter with the tools to exploit it. Tszyu's weakness was stamina. Both his losses were late K.O.'s where he was taken out with drained energy reserves. In all his career, nobody ever beat him with boxing ability, only attrition. This says a lot about how formidable he was. He does struggle with pressure, yes, but this is, imo, a reflection of his stamina issues, made worse by his oversised ring ego. Tszyu does not take a step back, or sideways. Ever. He wrestled with Hatton for 11 rounds, and slugged it out with Phillips when he was far ahead on points and had nothing left. I wish he had it in him to make strategic retreats, because it could have prevented his losses and enhanced his legacy. Both losses are moronic on a level, but you have to admire the warrior in him.

    JMM is an amazing fighter with great offensive abilities. Throws supurb combinations. Gets caught sometimes, but that is because of the extra risks he takes in exchanges. A work in progress.
     
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  6. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tszyu - Simply one of the best ever on his day, fighting the right fight. A Vince Phillips type loss is the only difference between Sugar Ray Robinson, Tszyu and the like of Calzaghe.

    Wright - Absolutely schooled some very good fighters (albeit with size and styles on his side), but struggles more often than Tszyu without these things.



    Marquez - His most impressive performaces were losses against a fighter he had a stylistic advantage over. Couldn't beat Chris John convincingly enough to avoid a slight robbery. Has no really impressive wins, unless you think the win over the guy that struggled with the guy that struggles with the guy Khan KO'd easilly with one round is impressive. Loses too many rounds for a supposed legendary boxer. One day Joan Guzman may school him and kill the myth, of the nearly great Marquez.
     
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  7. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Tszyu would have been much greater had he avenged the Phillips loss.

    Hatton was more of a stylistic nightmare though.
     
    Beeston Brawler, Dec 31, 2008
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  8. mstar

    mstar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    tyszu for me. yes he lost against phillips (i am not calling hatton a true asolute loss as he was out for a year i think and still gave a prime hatton nightmare in a close fight)
    his stamina issues were his downfall NOT his boxing ability. if he had a rematch with hatton (as soon after his loss) i think he take it on points
     
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  9. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    :roll:

    Not this again.

    If the Tszyu camp reckoned he was that bad they would have appealed to the IBF and sought an immediate rematch.
     
    Beeston Brawler, Dec 31, 2008
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  10. heidegger

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    I don't think the ref was biased, he was just incompetent and couldn't control the fight. This suits Hatton for obvious reasons.

    I have read interviews with Kostya where he talks about the fight. It doesn't seem to matter to him if the ref allowed Hatton to mug too much. He merely blames himself for not being able to combat the mugging.
     
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  11. Monstar

    Monstar The Future.. Full Member

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    excitement....JMM
    resume....JMM
    achievements....JMM
    longevity....JMM
    head-2-head...JMM
    overall...JMM
     
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  12. heidegger

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    Yeah Marquez would beat down Wright from the get-go. Is there even any question?
     
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  13. EL-MATADOR

    EL-MATADOR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Winky holds bigger wins than either of them IMO.
    Tito
    Mosley twice
    Should have got the decision against Taylor and maybe even Vargas.
     
    EL-MATADOR, Dec 31, 2008
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  14. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol::lol:
     
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  15. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tito seen his best days

    SSM was really a blown up lightweight whom already lost to a rangy Vernon Forrest

    I thought Winky beat JT and FV though
     
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