Winky Wright vs. Jack Johnson

Even if the thread kind of sucks, this reply is awesome. :rofl

 

Because Johnson will force Jones to be the aggressor. He's arguably the smartest HW champ of all time. His defense and reflexes would make Jones miss too. I don't think Jones is going to pop in and out like Pac, and if he's the aggressor, I'd expect Johnson to counter. I do think he pops hard enough, especially when countering and especially since I believe he would have the speed to shoot his counters off. Jones won't be able to deal with this.

And I don't believe Johnson is less mobile. Let me rephrase, I don't believe Johnson had slower feet, but I do believe he just chose to fight this way. He was generally a big and strong fighter that didn't need to move, but could if needed.

Jeffires, on the other hand. Might have more trouble getting off to catch Jones. Jones might be able to pickpocket a stalking Jeffries. I think Jeffries actually relied on in-fighting and wrestling more so than Johnson. Johnson did it to clown and subdue/restrain his opposition. Besides, Johnson has the tool to shoot inside uppercuts and to punch for long-distance. Jeffries relied heavily on that short left hook.

 

Yeah, I just assumed the Teletubby was a given. I never thought about the house elf or the morally dubious tavern keeper.

 

He doesn't have to, but Johnson is going to make him play a game a chess. A game Roy probably won't win.

He could, I don't think he will. Obviously Jack will have his hands full. No playing around, but he will be catching Roy more than Jeffries will. I think he's faster, certainly more clever and going to certainly get to Jones enough to wear him or hurt him badly.

But Johnson is smarter than Jeffries. Johnson has better reflexes, and Johnson is probably quicker with his hands. Knowing that, who do you figure to have a better chance?

Old by the time he fought Williard. He didn't need to against Jeffires, that much is evident by the result of the fight. Jack beat him at his own game. Says something about his skills or at least athletic ability and ability to make you miss and pay.



He was pretty good at landing the left hook against a mobile Ruhlin.

Because he could, because it was a way to **** off the white men. Just like how he sometimes cowered over the fighters and controlled them while starring off into the crowd. Johnson was good on the inside, but not better than Jeffries. If you think he was then you're basically saying Johnson was just much better than Jeffries. You seem to think the opposite, that's fine. Not sure your point in this thread. I guess there's been some revelation that modern smallish fighters could compete with the older HW champions. Not a ridiculous belief, considering how small some of the HW challengers were back then.

 

But against Jeffries there is?

 

Or about the fact that Jeffries was out of the game for 5 years, had to get rid of 100 pounds before the fight, was quite old and overtrained.

 

This fight has Johnson Ketchell all over it.

The fix is in, Winky is carried all fight, but tries a double cross in the last round. I am not sure if he scores the Knock down, but i can definitely see Johnson ending the fight there and then.

 

Your thread was a joke of course ,but so is this statement,if it isn't-------------
Jefries mobility is deduced from training clips[there is no fight footage to support it].You should check out Johnson training,and even as a man in his late 50's performing with his orchestra.
Less modern ? Where is the footage that shows Jeffries to have a modern style? He plods forward left hand below his waist, right hand cocked ,no leads ,no jabs.
Methinks, having been unsuccesful with your first sally, you have fired off a second.

 

I'd say that Johnson's strength would be a big factor as well. Winky looked awful against Hopkins after a few rounds and while that was a past-his-prime Winky, Johnson is much bigger and stronger than Hopkins.

 

I agree the same standards should apply. Johnson in training looks as mobile if not more so than Jeffries, however,he usually fought flat footed ,waiting to counter his opponents leads.Film of Jeffries fighting show a cautious stalker.
I disagree about Johnson's defence however,even in old age he was seldom tagged solidly,and styles and methods had moved on by then.
Ted Kid Lewis "The Dashing Bashing Kid",threw dozens of punches,from all angles and in clusters,he sparred with Johnson and said," I couldn't lay a glove on him".
Johnson said" DEFENCE ALLWAYS WINS IN THE END,IF ITS GOOD ENOUGH".Johnson said he usually gave early rounds away backpedalling to size up his opponent,everything came off his back foot.