Winning in Germany - What's the deal

I was just thinking of this. I would think anything remotely close would go to Abraham. Chambers got the decision but was dominate with knockdowns.

 

I can happen, but even when it does, it's scary - Chambers/Povetkin and the 113-113 card. Hill beat Maske, but again with a questionable card. Not sure about others... ?

If you embarrass someone, you can get a SD/MD, but at least 1 card is a real uphill climb.

It is not a myth, but that's not unique to Germany either. Their choice should be carful there (use, say Japan, South Africa, Argentina?). It'll have alot of eyes on it.

 

Half of the bull**** scorecards don't even come from German judges.

In reference to the Chambers fight.... it was an English judge who scored it a draw. Think I had it 117-109.

 

Yet one of the judges gave him a draw :rofl:rofl

 

Robin Reid v Sven Ottke is the classic example. It is hard to get a decision as a foreign fighter but it's rarely that blatant. The Robin Reid fight has to be seen to be believed.

 

No different to any other country.

 

Yeah, this is true - more about finding people without a past with the promoter or the sanctioning body he's in bed with (for title fights/setups).

Germany seems to be more blatant, somehow (at least Ohner (sp?) isn't invoved here). Chambers doesn't get enough credit for taking that fight.

 

More blatant than De La Hoya/Sturm, Holyfield/Lewis, Diaz/Malignaggi? Not in recent times.

 

Germany has had some questionable decisions for sure. But Texas seems at least just as bad with Malinaggi-Diaz, John-Juarez I, and going back a bit, Chavez-Whittaker. Whittaker also got blatently ripped off against Jose Luis Ramirez in France. I suppose it happens all the time in club fights with local heros too. Every human endevour from boxing to politics has corruption. There are a lot of fights in Germany , and many of the fighters are promoted by greedy, unscrupulous promoters. So , you'll see bad decisions on occasion.

 

il never trust german fight shows again after watching robin reid fight sven otke a few years back. my god it was a disgrace

 

It's definitely the case that in Germany home fighters have an advantage when it comes to scoring or judging (more than in USA).
The most unbelievable thing I've seen was the fight Brewster vs. Krasniqi where Brewster knocked Krasniqi down and the referee counted to 8, waited for about 10 more seconds and then just let the fight go on. Brewster won by stoppage in the next round so he practically had to knock him out twice to win the fight.

 

You forgot to mention that Brewster hit Krasniqi blatantly often in the nuts to get him off his gameplan and out of composure, to get him into trading with him. It worked. Krasniqi was winning the fight easily until he started to trade out of anger about that.

People always come with Reid-Ottke as "proof", when you easily remember 10 fights out of the top of your head alone where a fighter was blatantly robbed in the US, when against a local hero or TV darling. BTW, remember where someone gave Khan EVERY round lately, although losing at least 4 absolutely cleanly ? Never travel to Britain, you get robbed blind and they laugh while doing it, unless your name is Klitschko and you can knock the local guy out of the ring. Right ?

Clean robberies happen usually on the undercards, and there frequently. In main fights, there were several occasions where the foreign fighter got the "benefit of the doubt" a bit much.

 

I'm thinking of things beyond judging - the Reid/Otke, was it a Williams fight when the bell was rung early by the promoter?

But I don't disagree, they happen everywhere & all the ones you list are nasty. Besides, Taylor's coming off the recent losses, this is the way the sport works. And the fight should happen before the kvetching starts.

 

Williams/Airich was in Spain...