Wins & Performances at 39+ years old : Where does Beterbievs rank?

If that's what you need to to appear "fair", have at it.

 

Some of those Hopkins wins are incredible.

I remember watching Hopkins vs pavlik at the time and pavlik didn’t have a clue

 

In comparison with that list I think it is the best performance.

Moorer was the HW champ when Foreman knocked him out, and Pascal was the LHW champ when Hopkins humiliated him.

But those guys aren't as good as Bivol.

On the flip side no one thought Moorer or Pascal deserved to win, and this fight is split right down the middle according to the boxing world.

Had the fight gone exactly how it did, but in round 12 Beterbiev knocked out Bivol I think we could call it one of the best victories of all time.

But with time the closeness of the fight will probably enhance the win, because it shows the level of the two fighters.

 

Larry Holmes V Ray Mercer. 42 & he played with Mercer. Incredible win.

 

I’m in on this for another reason, because the way he was practically begging the referee to stop the punishment on briggs part, it was a rare moment in the sport. I loved it but that was some beat down

 

I would rate his performance enhancing drugs more advanced and effective than theirs.

 

I enjoyed seeing Lucas Browne spark out Junior Fa
Browne was 43 and a huge underdog after being KO'd in one round by Paul Gallen. Fa was coming off going the distance with Parker and was a heavy favorite to win.

 

I didnt have it a gift but I did have Bivol 7-5. Nonetheless Bivol arguably lost 10-12 as well as R5...6-9 had some close rounds...

I agree though context of win is everything

 

Much lower level. But I really enjoyed nearly 50 year old Mark Hunt totally embarrassing SBW. Gallen/Hunt II would jave been cool.

 

Oh yeah that was brilliant SBW got what he deserved the idiot wouldn't make a fight with Gallen because he thought he was the A side when Gallen wanted a 50/50 split which would've been fair. Then he gets KO'd by Hunt who Gallen beat so the ship sailed on the Gallen SBW fight and even though it is at a low level it would've been an absolutely huge fight in Australia on PPV so it cost SBW millions.

 

What are you talking about?

Yes, Bivol is more skilled than anyone at HW, he's also smaller than Beterbiev if you really wanna nitpick.

It won't matter what Usyk does at the age 39, because he'll have cleaned out a division against men twice his size by then, which is the very definition of P4P greatness.

It's ridicuolus to suggest Beterbiev should get more credit for controversially beating Bivol than Usyk for decisively beating Fury just because he's 2 years older.

 

Thank you. Now tell me about CW, Does Bivol has better skills than anyone at CW ?

He was also much smaller than Zurdo. so ? in what cases size matters more than skills ? Only when it's Usyk ?

Why do you have such low stardards ? Cleaned out division by beating mentally weak AJ and fraud Fury and that's it ? There is nobody to beat and challenge at HW ? So you are admitting that division is that weak that these two guys are only ones who needs to be beaten ?

Usyk won one fight with AJ and got 3 belts, does not mean that he cleaned out the division and faught the best, Usyk has yet to fight someone top in his PRIME at HW. It's really sad to see different measurments, when it comes to your favorite boxer.


Why it is more impressive - high level skilled boxer beat big limited guy at HW, than good old fighter beating P4P skilled boxer in his PRIME ?


If Beterbiev beats Opetaia, you would say size does not matter ?

 

He is, but a controversial win over Bivol(I had him losing, go check the RBR) is still far from enough to put Beterbiev ahead or even on par with Usyk. Something you're well aware too, hence the parroting of Beterbiev's age like It's the most important criteria in the world.

Zurdo was a massive LHW, which is irrelevant to the subject at the hand since Beterbiev hasn't fought him.

The highest standard I can possibly have from a cruiserweight is to move up to HW and become undisputed. The standards cannot possibly be any higher than this.

Do you have any idea how many cruiserweight(still considered a new division, but has been around for almost 50 years) champions in the past went on to become the champion at HW? The answer is 1, Evander Holyfield. That's how difficult what Usyk accomplished is.

David Haye was considered a great cruiserweight(not by me), and he hasn't done **** at HW other than grabbing a paper belt with a razor thin decision over shot Valuev who was a weak titlist even in his prime.

Tomasz Adamek was a great cruiserweight, and went onto become mediocre at HW.

Steve Cunningham was a great cruiserweigth, and couldn't even get through a title eliminator at HW.

Marco Huck, Juan Carlos Gomez, Vassily Jirov, Jean Marc Mormeck, I can go on. All tried what Usyk has done, all failed.

Usyk beat the #1 HW in the world on two seperate ocasions, holds wins over the current #1 and #2 ranked HWs in the world while becoming the first undisputed champion in the millenium. That's cleaning out a division, regardless of your mental gymnastics over Joshua and Fury.

And he has done all that against men twice his size, a part you conveniently ignore.


I'm sorry but you're out of your debt here. Beterbiev is great, but he's not even on the same stratosphere as Usyk when It comes to greatness. He may get close, if he manages to seperate himself from Bivol in their rematch which I don't think he will, I expect him to lose decisively in the rematch.

It would be a great accomplishment if Beterbiev beats Bivol and goes on to beat Opetaia at cruiser. But that's a huge if, as he has his hands full with the Bivol rematch.

 

Who said he was ahaed of Usyk the two time undisputed champion ? I said if you give credit to Usyk for beating medium level fighters, at least give same credit to old Beterbiev who is fighting higher level than Usyk at HW.

WIth WHO ?

Did Usyk ever beat P4P boxer ? NO....

But you give him credit just because he won 3 belts from poor AJ.

If Zurdo beats Billam smith and Beterbiev beats Zurdo, you would say that it's not such an accomplishment, since Zurdo lost to Bivol, but give huge credit to Usyk for beating AJ, who lost to Ruiz.







I think Usyk fanboys will not even give credit to Beterbiev if he beats Usyk himself at CW next year.