Wins that aged like milk

i always found that strange. What happened to Walters?

 

Ali,s win over Spinks ( 2 )

 

Too many to mention. Some that spring immediately to mind:

Joe Frazier-Manuel Ramos
Joe Frazier-Terry Daniels
Joe Frazier-Ron Stander
Joe Frazier-Dave Zyglewicz
Joe Frazier-Buster Mathis

George Foreman-Joe 'King' Roman
George Foreman-Crawford Grimsley ... Nobody was quite sure about Grimsley until he got knocked out in 13 seconds in his next fight.
George Foreman-Lou "The Tuna" Savarese

Lennox Lewis-Lionel Butler
Lennox Lewis-Oliver McCall 2
Lennox Lewis-Henry Akinwande
Lennox Lewis-Zeljko Mavrovic

Larry Holmes-Gerry Cooney
Larry Holmes-Carl Williams
Larry Holmes-Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes-Leroy Jones

I might even say Mike Weaver-John Tate. (When you have to explain who Tate was, it takes quite a bit of the luster off of it. Still, a great night for those of us who watched it live.)

Didn't Don Dunphy call the first round of Frazier-Ramos the best first round he could remember since Dempsey-Firpo? You certainly don't hear that fight referred to with such glowing terms anymore.

 

Pavlik vs Miranda.
Barrera vs Juarez
Marquez vs Baby Bull

 

Prime Jennings was good.. Top 10 today

 

That's actually a good one, there were lots of people really high on Proska at one time.

 

David Haye vs Enzo Maccarinelli

 

"Ortiz didn't beat anyone in top 20 before or after Wilder fights"

Jennings was 6th ranked by Ring and 19-1 when Ortiz outboxed him and KO'd him in 7. Jennings was coming off giving Wlad arguably his toughest fight in a decade over 12 rounds and had previously beaten top 10 Ring ranked Perez, along with stopping Szpilka, Fedosov and Liakhovich.

Martin was probably top 20 ranked when a 42+ Ortiz KO'd him in January this year. Hammer was in decent form too and may have been top 20. Ortiz also hasn't lost to anyone in his career save Wilder.

 

The premise is flawed as it utilises the benefit of hindsight. The fact is the fights mentioned by the op were not forgone conclusions beforehand.

 

ggg vs Derevyanchenko

ggg vs Szeremeta

ggg and spence vs Brook

mayweather vs Victor

mayerather vs Gatti

mayweather vs zab

mayweather vs baldomir

mayweather vs oscar

mayweather vs mosley

mayweather vs guerrero

Plant vs Uzcátegui

David Benavidez vs Ronald Ellis

Hopkins vs Trinidad

Oscar vs Whittaker

 

Both Martin and Jennings are C level at best.

 

Crawford vs Indongo

Crawford vs Benavidez

Tank vs Gamboa

Tank vs Barrios

Crawford vs Felix Diaz

Devin Haney vs Jorge Linares

Lomachenko vs Campbell

Luis Alberto Lopez vs Gabriel Flores Jr

Usyk vs Chisora

Duran vs Barkley

Leonard vs Duran (2)

 

Irrelevant even if true. Your claim was that Ortiz never beat anyone within the top 20: 6th ranked Jennings definitely was and Martin coming off his career best win probably was. And if Ortiz beats Ruiz it will go down as the best victory for a mid-40's HW since Moorer-Foreman in 1994.

 

Crawford over Horn