With All Of This Advancement In Training/Nutrition......

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  1. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, with diet plan and training schedule during all year with aim to make 175 lbs limit for weight ins he today was 175 lbs weight class boxer.
    Why not, if someone with 0 special dieting or water cut was 180-184-188 lbs, he now had been LHW boxers.
    Yeah, some LHW dudes are like this walking around, even maybe till ~ 193 lbs walking around.
     
  2. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Active Member Full Member

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    If you think a 185 pound fighter on fight night, regardless of weather it's same day or day before weigh in can compete with a 240 - 270 pound equally skilled fighter I don't think we have anything further to discuss. Lets just agree to disagree. On the street you can see that happen, but not in pro boxing, isn't that why there are weight classes?
     
  3. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    I miss the golden days when the juice was legal.
    Go to the gym eat a handful of D Ball and workout but the Government is always making things difficult to get at a reasonable price.
    Look at booze or even weed these days.
    You can get weed cheaper still off the black market and avoid taxes. The juice skyrocketed in price at the gyms once it was escalated to a schedule II and III controlled substance that gets You more time than cocain.

    Again I’m not for juicing if you are a pro because you are “cheating “ and could kill someone.
    Just wanted to vent
     
  4. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Active Member Full Member

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    I've often wondered what the legal ramifications would be when a juiced fighter kills someone in the ring. I suspect it has already happened and there were zero consequences. Same with catch weights. Gatti Gameche comes to mind. IIRC Gameche won a settlement in civil court. But he lived.
     
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  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol, why you talk about HW? For CW figher 185 lbs at fight night is small.:p
     
  6. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Active Member Full Member

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    I really am having difficulty understanding your posts surrix. You did see that I mentioned Marciano right? He weighed about 185 and fought in the heavyweight division during the 1950s. The game has changed, some would say evolved :p A select few think that because he was an undefeated heavyweight back in the day that he would easily handle Joshua and Fury type heavyweights in the present. You trolling me bruh?
    Here's a brief history lesson you may find useful....or not.
    " In 1920, the light heavyweight division was formed, with a maximum weight of 175 pounds (79 kg; 12 st 7 lb). Any fighter weighing more than 175 pounds was a heavyweight. The cruiserweight division (first for boxers in the 175–190 pound range) was established in 1979 and recognized by the various boxing organizations in the 1980s with a maximum weight of either 190 pounds (86 kg; 13 st 8 lb) or 195 pounds (88 kg; 13 st 13 lb). Later these organizations increased the cruiserweight limit to 200 pounds."
    I only post about 80 times a year, some do that in a day around here. Good day sir... I say good day!
     
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  7. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 Full Member

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    Humans doesnt evolve in 100 years. Well height has gone up and down Due to wars, famines and thru natutal selection and protein rich foods in cycles over the centuries.

    What I mean is that when smart People decelop new techniques to the game like Floyd mayweather and lomachenko etc. The sport changes as everyone take notice over time. We have mappers and drivers. The mapper show a new way and The driver perfect the new routes to its potential.
     
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  8. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Active Member Full Member

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  9. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I really do not know what do you think about me and my posts.

    I had posted that walking around weight for modern LHW boxer might be such weight that Marciano did had at weight ins.
    Then this division was what it was.

    I never had posted that Marciano might beat modern CW boxers, not alone HW boxers.

    And do not talk with me like with absolutely unskilled about modern boxers weight.

    For example the same LHW division boxers.
    One from these I had sparred with had fight contract to do fight with long term notice, this means more than 3 months.
    And he stepped in the ring after weighted 190 lbs on the scales to spar in beginning of his training camp.
    Yeah, he weighted in in limit for fight and in weight ins had approx 174 lbs and was like approx 182 lbs in the ring.

    Another boxer, he had competed at CW with weight in results like approx 188-193 lbs and later had turned to LHW division.
    They really are " weak and small ".

    It depends form guy how trimming down does affect him.
    Both of these lads were from top 50 ranked boxers.
     
  10. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Active Member Full Member

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    As I said surrix, I have real trouble understanding your posts, I'm not trying to be an *******. Maybe your first reply to my post was a joke? I honestly can't tell. As for what I think of you, I don't even know you so I have no feelings toward you one way or the other. I've only seen a few of your posts and the internet is a pretty lousy way of getting to know someone. You seem to be getting upset now so we really should end this discussion. You like boxing, I like boxing, I bet we could get together over a few beers and talk boxing... as long as we could get past the language barrier.
     
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  11. HolDat

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    The Earth's soil isn't as pure as it once was 100 years ago. The nutritional content in our food is much lower.
     
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  12. Samtotheg

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    they havent developed new optimal techniques though!
     
  13. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, I think numbers does not have so huge barrier.
    Modern LHW boxers are exactly Marciano size or even a bit larger athletes.
    Only difference there is weight in weight limit 175 lbs.
    At fight night they might be even 185 lbs, happens that might be heavier.

    Marciano was not larger specimen than today are bunch with LHW boxers, just one example might be Buatsi. Only 1 example from bunch with boxers.

    I had intent discuss with you friendly, for example for me more interesting is to compare boxers size at HW during decades not about boxers surnames etc like things.
     
  14. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 Full Member

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    Go and look at some breakdown videos on their techniques. Its alot.
     
  15. Samtotheg

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    this is not proof what specific techniques are they using that is better ?