With pac excercising his right not to take the drug test....

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  1. blastmaster122

    blastmaster122 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The entire situation only came up because Floyd Sr. accused Manny of using steroids after the Hatton fight with nothing to base that on.
     
  2. aaron

    aaron Active Member Full Member

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    This is the biggest fight in the history of the sport with the paydays the biggest ever, which will probably never be surpassed and will bring boxing to the top of the food chain for a very long time in terms of world sports.

    For ALL SPORTS, events of this magnitude should command strict olympic style testing. Regardless of whether some jerkoff accused whoever of doing whatever, it should be mandatory, absolutely no way out of it. If you refuse, you are banned from your respective sports for the duration of the event, or in boxings case, you are not allowed to fight. Far too many are getting away with doping and have been for too long.

    The bottom line is, a deal was laid out by team Mayweather, team Pacquiao agreed...then abruptly changed their mind. Therefore one can only assume team Pacquiao is refusing random blood tests for a good reason. Now Toprank & Team Pacquiao will haveto deal with a dirty big black cloud over their heads, or can be ****ing mature about it, take the needle in the arm and let a doctor draw 2 tablespoons of blood. His body will produce the lost blood back in 2 hours anyway.
     
  3. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm pissed this fight might not come off b/c of Floyd. This isn't PAC's fault at all. He's taken the false accusations from Floyd and his daddy in stride....didn't sling mud back and no one is asking for evidence that PAC is using.....they found evidence with Roy, Shane, Toney and other boxers yet Manny is the only one who doesn't need any evidence....just a rumor from future opponets will suffice if the person happens to be Manny.

    Look....Manny agreed to the extra testing...he agreed to the extra blood testing....He even agreed to the multipule testing with blood and random **** testing throughout camp....But Floyd asked for blood to be taken the day of then a week out.. I mean....give it a rest....just say you don't want the fight.
     
  4. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I completely disagree...Manny has agreed to all the terms that were initially requested from Floyd and his camp for radom **** tests by an indpendant drug testing facility all the way up to the fight....then the additional requests for olympic style blood testing.....then multiple blood tests just before promotions begining on Jan 6 and immediately following the fight in March......and finally blood testing requested by the

    Mayweathers on fight night or the day prior!:patsch That's some bull **** homie....Manny tried to agree to almost everyting Floyd threw at them but why should Manny bend over and take it raw dog witout any vasaline???:huh Especially given the fact that these demands are weak and without any facts, proof or reason. And then to ice the **** pie these accusations came from Floyd and his pops.

    For me it's clear FLOYD is the one looking for an out and he's taking the low road and trying to save his repuation at the expense of someone elses. that is a ***** move. And NO.....No one esle will ask for these kinds of useless and tired demands that Floyd is.
     
  5. aaron

    aaron Active Member Full Member

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    You ignorant little ****ing worm blaming Floyd. Anti doping agency do RANDOM blood tests for a reason. This isnt Floyd demanding a blood test within 2 days, it is the ANTI DOPING AGENCY saying they cannot guarantee that Manny wont be tested 2 days before the fight. Whatever anyway, team Pacquiao clearly has something to hide.

    Roids can be cleared inside of 30 days completely.

    Travis Tygart, chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, said a blood test can allow testers to detect use of energy-boosting synthetic EPO, human growth hormone and “a number of potent performance-enhancers not detectable in urine. . . . With a [30-day] window like that, you could dope to the gills and get away with it.”
     
  6. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    And the only thing the blood test gives you is to find HGH. The multiple random urine test can detect roid and the masking agent. Studies have shown that HGH by itself is not effective. It has to be taken in conjunction with steroid. The problem with this is that steroid is easily detected with simple urine test. Ofcourse the question left out to Tygart was if the urine test would have sufficient. Pretty convenient to leave that question out.
     
  7. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    THATS UR OPINION ON "FLOYD IS AFRAID OF MANNY...

    FACT HOWEVER-FLOYD ASKS MANNY FOR THESE TESTS AND MANNY SAYS NO AS HE HAS A RIGHT TOO...

    OK FINE...NEXT STEP

    WHY IN THE HELL IS MANNY WILLING TO LOSE A 40 MILLION DOLLAR PAYDAY OVER A SIMPLE DRUG TEST WHICH HE OBVIOUSLY CAN PASS...MAKES ME WONDER:deal
     
  8. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Awww....yous a female aren't you. You smell like a ****ing puss with your bitchin. You didn't read or have reading comprehension problems b/c you over looked the fact that I wrote down what is known and facts about PAC agreeing to random drug testing. All the way up to the fight!

    Floyd got what he wanted then said he wanted more.....Additional blood testing....PAC agreed to that and Floyd came up with anther demand...Blood testing before and after the fight....BAM! PAC agreed and Floyd asked for more blood tests a week and right before the fight. :patsch

    Tell you what.....get up off you kness....wipe your chin and stop being a oral deposit box for Floyds juniors..K??:good Those Roids that are traceable or PEDs that are traceable in blood that would assist or benefit Manny are still detectable for as short as 4 months....the problem is Floyd...not PAC.
     
  9. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    I AGREE IN MANNY HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY NO...SO THERE IS NO DEBATE THERE...

    WHAT YOU FAIL TO REALIZE IS THAT YOUR OPINION IS WHAT IT IS..UR OPINION..U THINK FLOYD IS SCARED...WELL I THINK HE REALLY SUSPECTS PAC BEING ON SOMETHING AND REALLY JUST WANTS TO MAKE SURE HE AIN'T GONNA HAVE ANY UNFAIR ADVANTAGES...

    IF IT IS FAIR TO SAY NO TO THE TESTING THAN FLOYD IS FAIR IN ASKING...IT IS A SHAME THAT THE FIGHT WON'T COME OFF CUZ OF THIS...REGARDLESS OF WHO IS AT FAULT:deal

    BUT NOW THE QUESTION IS WHAT IN THE HELL WAS PAC HIDING TO MAKE HIM NOT WANT 40 MILLION:think
     
  10. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    but it leaves no window of opportunity for either fighter to take any drugs and thus we will have a 100 percent for sure level playing ground...
     
  11. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've never....NEVER ever, said Floyd has been scared of anyone others claimed he ducked in the past....but this kind of **** is overboard. For me his actions and continual demands for tests he wants are his way of getting out of a fight he agreed to with PAC.

    The fact is Manny has agreed to the multiple demands of Floyd....but Floyd kept on asking for more and more as PAC kept agreeing. Enough was finally enough.

    Can you tell me how it's "Fair"...when these demands are based on Rumors started by Floyd's team? Rumors that have no validity, substance or foundation? I'm sorry but for me it's clear as day why PAC has finally gave Floyd what he REALLy wanted....a way out. Since Floyd wasn't man enough to say he didn't want it, he chose a way out of the fight without having to tell the world the truth.

    $40 Mill is a nice stack of mula.....but there is a thing call principle and for some...who don't put money first in their lives won't allow themselves to have money decide for them....PLUS....I'm sure PAC doesn't feel Floyd really wants to face him with all these demands after demands.
     
  12. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's the whole thing....NOTHING is 100%. With or without the testing the day of, 2 days out before the fight ect....Floyd and his daddy can still say PAC was on roids and would if he lost! Just like they did after he beat miguel.

    I thought Floyd would beat PAC but now I'm not sure. He's actions are telling me he's not confident and he is scared. Funny to me that they only started the rumores AFTER the fight with Cotto....WHEN the winner was suppose to face Floyd.:think
     
  13. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    no they can't...if he passes all the random tests than it will be clear that he isn't on **** and never was...i believe he never was anyways...

    U say floyd is trying to get a way out...if that was the case he wouldn't have gone through all the trouble of getting gpb to rep him..he wouldn't have told leonard to stay out of it...i see what your saying..

    I however am giving both fighters the benefit of the doubt....i truly believe floyd wants that style testing becuase he truly believes pac is on something...i also truly believe that pac is scared of needles and his team believes it would be a psychological disadvantge and what not...however..by no means is floyd "ducking" this fight..lol..not with all the negotiations that have already taken place...floyd wants the fight and both fighters should be ready for any given tests on any given day...if pac is refusing "random" testing throughout than its clear to me he is hiding something or he is really telling the truth in that he don't wanna give blood cuz of needles and etc etc etc.....

    Regardless they needa make the fight happen some how
     
  14. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    Dude I don't know where you're getting your facts but HGH doesn't need **** to go with it. I mean sure steriods enhance the affect but you don't need them. But thats not what I would even be looking for anyways. What I'd have my eye on is epo because it would be the substance that would give manny the ability to train the way he does.
     
  15. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    Two points one Manny hasn't agreed to random anything he's stated that he wants one test in january, one 30 days from the fight and one after the fight. Thats not random at all. How you could think that it is random is rediculous.

    Second point you'd be and idiot to think these things don't degraded quickly. The only one that stays around for a long time in your blood is androstenedione, which no one uses anymore. I know of a few guys that dope before MMA matches and none of them are afraid of the post fight drug tests.

    Honestly the bull**** I see people randomly making up about steriods inorder to justify pac's stance is rediculous. How you can just randomly try to say somehting like steriods don't degrade in four monthe then try to defend a guy shows just how far your willing to stick your own head in the sand inorder to stick up for someone.

    **** I don't even know why I waiste my time with you idiots.