with pac floyd not being made has ufc taken over boxing ?

I also note that interestingly enough in both lists the heavyweight division does not have an overwhelmingly dominant position - the UFC list there's four light heavyweight main events (UFC 101 is arguable because a lightweight title was the headliner but most accept Griffin vs Silva was the draw - it certainly got the push beforehand) while the boxing list has four shows headlined by welterweights.

 

Look at the numbers Will, tell me why only three non HW boxing matches outsold George and Evander in 91

I'll say that again, only 3 non HW fights have outsold Big George and the Real Deal

In 21 YEARS...I dont need a caveat really

 

Sorry if you did - I thought you were dismissing it - you seem to be suggesting it wasn't a fair example.

But I don't understand how you square that with your original statement

 

How many of those fights out of 20 feature a non American main event?

 

You cant use a ''would off'' as a solid example is my point. He would have got a push, and it would have sold, but it didnt happen. And again, for the last time, he would have been fighting an American Champ...and I didnt say non Americans dont sell...

 

Because your list is out of date.

Floyd Mayweather vs Shane Mosley did 1.4million. Around the same as Holyfield vs. Foreman (but more than the one below)

Manny Pacquiao vs. JMM did 1.45million. More than Holyfield vs. Foreman

Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto did 1.5million. More than Holyfield vs. Foreman.

So that's six shows welterweight shows that have done the same or more than Holyfield vs. Foreman. Whereas only five heavyweights have (all starring Tyson btw). And the record rests with a non-heavyweight and the only fight on the horizon that could beat it is another non-heavyweight bout.

 

Now, now Stoo don't get changing your argument. You said American heavyweight. Stick to your guns in the face of reality.

 

Point taken. So that's a combined total of 150 000 more for both fights...

And Peter McNeeley outsold them

 

But by your logic it'd have been better if Fedor lost to Sylvia because without an American Heavyweight Champion business wouldn't have gone up across the board.

And we can use the example of the Strikeforce tournament. We have two americans in the final but I think we'd all accept that it'd be a much bigger deal if Fedor had managed to make the final in place of either man.

 

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Im not repeating myself again...you either get it or you dont

 

1,500,000 actually.

And that would ignore the decline in popularity for boxing and the above inflation increases in pay per view prices.

And you again ignore that the record was set by a welterweight fight. A record that's comfortably above the one Tyson set.

And again if its as simple as getting an American heavyweight as champion surely they'd be more than just Tyson fights and the unusual spectacle of Foreman facing the heavyweight champion? Its not like they've haven't been Americans holding the heavyweight strap other than those three over the past twenty-one years.

 

What part of ''Sylvia is a sack of ****'' didnt you understand That not my logic at all Will, again Im not repeating myself

 

Im not ignoring it at all

you need to start posting a little :hat at the end of your post fella :roll:

 

What part of 'recognising that Sylvia was a sack of **** means also recognising that your previous statement that when boxing or mma have an American heavyweight champion business is up across the board was incorrect' do you not understand?

For the last time, if the business of either sport was a simple as you claimed then such mysterious intangibles as Sylvia's personal charisma and fighting style wouldn't matter because of his passport and weight. The fact that they do matter shows that you were wrong. Simple as.