Without his elite stamina Usyk would have lost many times

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  1. fitzroy boy_iron mike

    fitzroy boy_iron mike Active Member Full Member

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    Thanks you're the first person who gets my point
     
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    fitzroy boy_iron mike Active Member Full Member

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    Reductio ad absurdum
     
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    RealDeal Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Yeah and if Fury was 6’ 3” he’d be nothing special either.
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can think "critically" the problem is you can't Usyk has amazing footwork superb defence so have you ever thought that Usyk tires out his opponent mentally and physically by using angles and superb defense ? that's an art.

    What you're saying is silly and too basic that's like saying what if Ali didn't have his exceptional speed ?

    What if Jackson didn't have his godlike power ?

    Every boxer has a strong attribute that makes them unique but i think it's ridiculous to say Usyk only wins his fights based on stamina consider how incredibly skilled he is.
     
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  5. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
     
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  6. likeafire

    likeafire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think it’s more his heart will determination and desire that separates him from the rest. He was blowing hard in the corner after round 9, he gets tired just like the rest of them but he just perseveres through it like no other
     
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  7. fitzroy boy_iron mike

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    I didn't say only. I said it's his main and in his case crucial attribute for his style. I agree he obviously has other skills. But without his insane stamina they would deminish considerably. I thought this was an interesting observation but it has offended many for some reason.
     
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  8. oldcanvasback

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    Yes, but it is like saying That Mike Tyson would've lost many times without power.
     
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  9. fitzroy boy_iron mike

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    Yeah it's a bit of everything but stamina is his key and most important attribute. That's basically my point.
     
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  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fair enough i don't agree with you honestly but i respect the polite reply maybe i was a bit out of hand with my first reply but you know we all get a bit hyped after a big fight.
     
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  11. fitzroy boy_iron mike

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    Heart, will and determination is Jake LaMotta, Marciano or Ali. Usyks stamina feats in training confirm my point, he has insane stamina and it's crucial to his style. It's a basic but seemingly abrasive viewpoint, I get it.
     
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  12. fitzroy boy_iron mike

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    Appreciate that
     
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  13. oldcanvasback

    oldcanvasback Active Member Full Member

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    yeah, it is. He works guys into the ground. His game plan is based around having a superior engine. All those feints and small movements are done to make sure his opponent can never relax for more than 1 or 2 seconds.
     
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  14. kirk

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    Ok, well then, all I can tell you is that if thats what you think, then you are missing the majority of what makes Usyk special. Point blank.

    His IQ is his most important attribute by far, and his style isnt overtly impressive, but how he uses it, is.

    His style doesnt crumble without stamina any moreso than any other style you can think of would lose without stamina.


    What fighter exactly do you think would be undefeated if they gasses in the championship rounds?


    On the surface, I obviously get a flavor of what youre saying... Usyks has great stamina and without his great stamina he wouldnt be as effective. Yes, thats true. But you take it so extreme that what youre saying is not only not true (his style crumbles without it, and that its his most important attribute), not only is it not true, but your stating something that is universally true in all of fighting. No fighter that gasses in the championship rounds would be unfefeated. Its literally intrinsic to being an elite fighter.

    Now, there are fighters that can rely less on needing stamina than Usyk does, that is true. Fighters that use less movement and footwork dont need the gas tank that Usyk does. That would be true. But you take that too far into kinda absurd statements imo.

    Lastly, so what? Its literally the same thing as saying well Mayweather wouldnt be undefeated if he didnt have his reflexes. Mike Tyson wouldnt have become a legend if he didnt have his speed. Foreman wouldnt have been a boxing great if he didnt have his power.

    Its literally the same thing, and kinda just comes off a bit of a pointless 'point'.
     
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  15. lone star

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    I’m so glad whatever attribute you give to Usyk, Or whatever excuse you have for Fury that this is done. Hopefully the heavyweight division will move on. Doubt it though. At least now the divisions future is solely down to Usyk. If he goes back to cruiser then let’s get rid of that division. If he retires then fair play to him. Fury, good riddance. True colours shown.
     
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