Without much speed or reactions, Jones is a pretty mediocre fighter

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Nov 8, 2008.


  1. Tony OldSchool

    Tony OldSchool Member Full Member

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    Jones stopped being Jones over 5 years ago. He relies on speed much more than B-Hop.
     
  2. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    almost like tyson, jones was a frontfunner and once people found out that superman can be defeated, he was never the same.
     
  3. Sweet Pea

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    A completely shot fighter who was still able to stand up to everything he threw for the entire fight.

    I am seriously dumbfounded at the level of stupidity on this forum, though not from you, as I called your trolling ways out from the beginning.
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    You can use the words "ridiculous" and "****ing" as much as you like; it doesn't make your argument better.

    Hopkins didn't have considerably better legs than Jones (v. Calzaghe), and he certainly didn't have Jones' speed and reactions, yet he was much better.

    Jones didn't show much heart, no. Not compared to what Hopkins and Calzaghe have showed. He just took a beating, without trying anything, except going for a big punch late on. Disappointed.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    No, he didn't...he won the first round and one more at best, that's it, and if he had had Calzaghe's speed, reactions and stamina, he'd have still lost the fight.
     
  6. Sweet Pea

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    Hopkins has excellent legs, even to this day. Have you actually watched him fight, or are you just assuming that because he's old? His legs are the biggest part of why he's still so successful. Again, you simply don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about.

    Jones was doing well for the first half of the fight, by the second half he was physically unable to do anything but stand up, and he still managed to survive everything Joe threw at him. He showed a lot more heart and class than Joe, whose clowning antics on a shot and worn out fighter were ****ing disgraceful.
     
  7. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Sure, just as per usual, since you are by far the most intelligent, knowledgeable and objective guy here...how lucky of us to have you around to throw abuse our way, oh, Great One!
     
  8. ya-ni

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    NO, NO, NO, NO ayatollah, he ass raped hopkins:tdh
     
  9. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tell us something we don't know. RJ is a smart guy but it's obvious he was all about his raw talents all along. Hopkins is another story.
     
  10. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    rjj lost everything that made him great.
     
  11. Redondo5

    Redondo5 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    to all the people saying RJJ is shot..... why were most of you picking a shot fighter before the fight?

    RJJ said he felt better than he has in a long time..... much better than he was against Tarver and Johnson when he was weak due to his rapid weight loss.

    RJJ was not the RJJ of the 90s.... but most of you biased wankers should not have picked him to beat Calzaghe if you thought he was shot. I'm happy that Calzaghe humiliated the RJJ in front of the Americans. Although I respect RJJ for showing great heart and fighting till the end through adversity
     
  12. Outboxer

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  13. Imperial1

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    Hopkins is just better fundimentally better ..What makes people like Roy and Whitiker great diminishes with age ..
     
  14. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Decebal I respect you as a poster, but you're totally wrong on this one.

    Jones is shot as hell and this fight was the best proof you can get. Less heart by Jones? You know better than that mate.

    Calzaghe is still at a pretty good level, he could easily have two more fights before he retires.
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Take away Calzaghe's speed and stamina, his two main physical qualities, and what are you left with? A slower fighter, who throws less, but still a fighter with great ring intelligence, who keeps great distance, with very good defence, very adaptable, a great tactician with a great heart who will give his all to try and turn a fight around, no matter how hurt or far behind. He would still be a great fighter.

    Take away Hopkins power and stamina, and we saw what a great fighter he still was. His feet weren't as strong as they were in his prime, but his footwork was better. He wasn't on his toes anymore, because he just didn't have it, instead, he was more economical, and every step was perfectly calculated to give him the best advantage in terms of positioning and distance. His speed or power weren't the same, but he compensated with striking at the right time, after setting his opponent up - still effective! His stamina wasn't the same, so he used his bag of tricks to stay in the fight; he clinched and held, he took brakes simply by positioning himself in such a way that his opponent thought he was going to strike, and thus avoided him. He compensated with greater defence, greater intelligence and ring-craft....He came with plans A,B,C,D to the fight, and used them all, to the best of his abilities.

    Jones? What has he learned during his time in boxing, to compensate for the great loss of speed and reactions? Better defence? No. He covered up and stood there like a punching bag...that was his defence.

    Ring-generalship? There was none.

    Tactics? He came with plan A and B: to find that one big punch to take Calzaghe out with and to counterpunch him effectively. Soon, he realised he couldn't counterpunch him that effectively, so he was left with having to KO him...even e.g. Diaconu could have come up with those tactics!

    How did he buy time or save energy? In the worst possible way - standing there to take it like a punching bag.

    No great distance, no great footwork, no nothing.

    Heart? Was he prepared to die in there to try and win? Far from it. He gave up and just conforted himself with the thought he was going to not get stopped. Calzaghe wasn't hurting him that much, though...it wasn't that great an achievement.

    Now...I didn't expect Jones would win. I knew he was badly faded or shot. BUT...if you sign to fight Calzaghe, you come with a plan, knowing that you will have to go through hell to win. You use all your intelligence and craft and all else you've got to try and compensate for what you lack...

    I expected Jones to show me he is still a great fighter, by trying to dominate and beat Calzaghe in as little as the first minute of every round, for no longer than 8-9 rounds. I didn't expect more. Give it all you have to show how good you are and then...who cares if you get stopped, because you're completely spent? Instead, he soon went into survival mode and did nothing. Heart? Heart was what Lacy showed, and Lacy didn't stop giving everything he had until the very last moment. Heart was what Kessler showed, going for the KO in the last round. Heart was what Hopkins had, who didn't quit at the end, after he realised he was beaten. Jones short-changed us in the "gave all he had" department. He could at least have done that. I'm not saying he quit, he didn't, but he didn't give all he had. Or, at least, if that was all he had, why the hell did he sign to fight Calzaghe? Should have gone back to fighting Hanshaw.

    Jones has won 3 points against Calzaghe. The last time someone won 3 points or less against him was when he fought Manfredo, and the time before that was when he fought Lacy. Bika, Kessler, Hopkins all did much better. Jones took this fight for money, it seems, just like Tarver took the Dawson fight. He should retire.

    Calzaghe? Who is there out there for him to fight anymore? Only Hopkins in a rematch in which I'm confident both would perform better than last time around. No one else. Dawson? Don't make me laugh.