Without PED would Evander Holyfield have been as successul in the heavyweight division as was?

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  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So he fell in love with the game again after receiving the chance to face his old nemesis? Makes sense, Ali did the same for his big fights.
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have zero problems with your Sangria interactions and yes i did enjoy them. He can go from liking a pro Tyson post i made to calling me a hater and slinging abuse 24hrs later because i post a slight negative LOL!!!

    You know full well i think you are well on the negative side of balanced with Tyson but i enjoy your angles and it's not like you feel compelled to hate on Tyson daily or anything. Yes i also know when you are winding.
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think finally facing Tyson, such an incredibly dangerous opponent after waiting so many years for it re-ignited something deep inside of him. It rekindled his competitive fires in my opinion. You could sort of call it love for the game. It breathed new life into him. This is just my opinion but i think it's there to see.

    I've long said i think it was two of his very best performances. Personally i truly believe this 96 version would have beaten any version of Tyson. He didn't tire at all, he shook off huge punches like they were love taps and he never wavered from his game plan and objective.
     
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    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes claiming Tyson can't lose to Holyfield was truly ugly. As i just posted i would have no trouble putting 96 Holyfield in there. Call me simplistic but i think there was just something inside of Holyfield that was always going to repel Tyson.

    To balance this out i think Tyson would have also beat many ATG's and lost to a handful.
     
  5. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That’s ain’t true. No one goes bald overnight unless they have something like that alopecia condition where all the hair rapidly drops out and could be linked to things like stress. Your hair loss is probably down to the male pattern baldness and while different men lose it at different speeds, you can see it gradually happening. It’s don’t happen overnight.

    I ain’t saying Tyson didn’t take steroids but his going bald looked like a gradual thing, You could see it receding at the temples over time. Holyfield though seems to have clumps of hair falling out all over his head over a very short period of time until he shaved it all off.
     
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  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Believe it or not I am a massive Tyson fan myself but like you said some fans
    It's a figure of speech, of course I didn't go bald overnight but I did in a very short period of time. It happened drastically within the space of two trips to the barbers, enough for me to have to shave it.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's the honest truth, I have nearly every fight of his and that's including his amateur bouts on DVD. Been a massive fan since I was a child.
     
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    You got my sympathies,man. I don’t think I’ve lost any hair yet but if or maybe when it happens I think it’s gonna depress the hell out of me.
     
  10. Wass1985

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    It didn't really effect me that much tbh, I didn't try and hang on to every last strand. Just shave it and be done with it.
     
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    rofl :lol:
    He´s sharing the "most massive Tyson fan leadership" with Foxy01 though.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    LOL!!!!!!!!!!
     
  13. choklab

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    This was absolutely correct. People feared for Evander taking on Tyson. It was like Leonard taking on Hagler only Evander really had a hard career going into that fight.

    And saying that, once Tyson was beaten, two plus two made five with people. On one hand Evander was an automatic ATG and on the other side of it Tyson was a phoney this time around. Seldon had threw himself down without being hit, Bruno was a familiar and fearful opponent. Tyson had not enough good fights left in him to do himself justice. I thought, you can’t have it both ways. Tyson either lost to a dead man walking or he lost against somebody less shot that he was. And if Holyfield ever was an ATG heavyweight, it was before the Tyson fight and not because of it.

    This is how it was. Not only this, but the Tyson fight, and almost that alone, finally made him an all time great heavyweight with most people. Here he was past his best, and this was a coming out party of All time greatness for most people!

    I already knew Evander was a great heavyweight. He ticked a lot of boxes. but I was in the minority to think this. Regardless of how low Bert Cooper was regarded at the time (and he was not rated as a deserving challenger at all then) I thought Holyfield showed a lot of metle, their fight was exciting and he won it. Same with the Dokes fight. Even overcoming extremely difficult assignments with crafty Larry Holmes and George Foreman proved he had as much of what it took already. But to most people he was just a pumped up cruiser who couldn’t get past Bowe. It took for him to decline, beat Tyson and draw with Lewis for folks to take him seriously when I think his body of work prior to losing to Moorer was enough already.
     
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    mrkoolkevin Not here for the fairy tales Full Member

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    16-17 year old Tyson fought at super-heavyweight in the amateurs before Cus decided he should cut down to 200 for the Olympics because they were afraid of the politics. His regular fighting weight had been 210 pounds. From "The Rise of Mike Tyson, Heavyweight":

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  15. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    OK, so they took him off the roids to enable him to compete with fighters more his natural size. Seems a very sensible thing to do from his team.
     

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