Without PED would Evander Holyfield have been as successul in the heavyweight division as was?

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  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yet survived and beat him in the second bout, funny old game boxing.
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Moorer`s chin was a lot weaker than Vander`s.
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So what you saying, Cooper didn't hit as hard when he faced Moorer....... Hahaha.
     
  4. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes, but Evander was hit unexpectedly. That fight with Cooper was supposed to be easy after the Foreman fight months before. He was rocked. It is good thing Bert did not win, it would have been a shame to have Bert beat a legend like Evander.
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No I wasn`t saying that I just think Moorer was slightly overrated as a heavyweight, he was very fragile, I don`t think the right that Foreman KO`d him with would have KO`d Holy.
     
  6. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Yes I have. I knew how to cycle myself on and off. I was lucky enough to have someone, like a Lee Haney, guide me. I got way too big, way too fast though and it slowed me down with the sport I was playing at the time.

    Anyways, you feel stronger, not just physically.
     
  7. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    My statement is true. And there's nothing more powerful than the truth. You can reply all you want.

    I'm no grammar Nazi, but please...it's "I've seen" or "I'd seen". Not "I seen". Too many people using that **** these days.
     
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  8. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Tyson hater. Take the steroid cheating away and Holyfield doesn't make it into the All TIme Heavyweight Top 25.
     
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  9. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What sport did you compete in and what level did you get to?

    Also, if you’ve used you should know that steroids have different levels of effectiveness for different people, since everyone has different genetics and for every positive that steroids bring it also carries downsides that can be detrimental to an athlete’s career.

    That said steroids have their place in sports, since they can be amazing in helping athletes recover from injuries provided their usage is short term.
     
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  10. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was COD champion for 5 years running, his mum kicked him out for smashing their TV after losing his crown.
     
  11. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did anything in your pants shrink because looking at body builders like Haney in their tiny posing pouches, it looked like there was hardly anything in them?
     
  12. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No he told me it grew to 2 inches, 100% improvement........
     
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  13. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    It's not just about him gaining muscle, the proportions are a well known sign of PED use.
    He had medical conditions known to be caused by PED use.

    But more than that
    "On February 28, 2007, Holyfield was anonymously linked to Applied Pharmacy Services, a pharmacy in Alabama that was under investigation for supplying athletes with illegal steroids and human growth hormone (HGH). He denied ever using performance enhancers.[49]

    Holyfield's name does not appear in the law enforcement documents reviewed. However, a patient by the name of "Evan Fields" caught investigators' attention. "Fields" shares the same birth date as Holyfield, October 19, 1962. The listed address for "Fields" was 794 Evander, Fairfield, Ga. 30213. Holyfield has a very similar address. When the phone number that, according to the documents, was associated with the "Fields" prescription, was dialed, Holyfield answered.[50]

    On March 10, 2007, Holyfield made a public announcement that he would be pursuing his own investigation into the steroid claims in order to clear his name.[51]

    Holyfield was again linked to HGH in September 2007, when his name came up following a raid of Signature Pharmacy in Orlando, Florida.[52] Signature Pharmacy was under investigation for illegally supplying several professional athletes with steroids and HGH.[53]"
     
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  14. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did any test come out that he was positive?
     
  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I don't see why that matters, pretty every drug cheat passed tests, and there's plenty of evidence of his doping.
     
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