Without PED would Evander Holyfield have been as successul in the heavyweight division as was?

One could say Tyson committed **** to avoid fighting Holyfield. First he pulls out with a fake injury and then does jail to get out of their bout.

He knew the Real Deal was hunting him down and he naturally panicked.

 

Washed up Hoyfield? Dude was hit or miss since going to heavyweight. Struggling with washed up Dokes, Alex Stewart, Bert Cooper...never mind. We know the rest of the roided up Christian champion of champions with an up and down see saw career that was rescued, at times (ahem, hepatitis and/or shoulder problems) by roids and his excuse after ****in excuse after every loss. Something Tyson never did but that's neither here or there.

Holyfield, holier than though, with 20 kids out of wedlock, forgot to pack that plastic and went out like willy lump lump. You don't have to quote everything I say to spread butter on your Holyfield play doll. Dude is a known steroid cheat who lost 2 outta 3 to Bowe and went 1-0-1 to Lennox and 1-1-1 to Ruiz. Beating Tyson who fought less than 8 total rounds in 5 years is his GREATEST accomplishment. A Tyson without a proper trainer and was pushed into the title scene against a statue named Frank Bruno and paper plate named Bruce Seldon. Holyfield got him at the right time. Washed up Holyfield my azz. Dem roids helped him beat Michael Moorer and then to stay in contention because he still couldn't beat the best of the best.

So bow down to him all you want. Everyone on here knows he was a roided, blown up Cruiser who got away with it because this sport is still mob owned. Great story though, the holier than though, humble champ who couldn't win the big one WITHOUT cheating. Pat yourself on the back homie, you deserve it.

 

I sense you are deeply upset here......

 

The facts are Holyfield wiped the floor with roided Tyson twice, Mighty Mike thought Holyfield was finally ready for the skip after doing his best to avoid him for years.

 

I think he would have been a great (maybe the greatest ever) cruiser, but would not have made the same impact at HW.

 

So he would have been what he actually was?

 

I am Now of the school of thought that Evander taking PEDs just evened the score. The division had already begun to change irreversibly in a unprecedented way.

The division had just begun to change allowing for men previously unsuited to heavyweight boxing now becoming an important factor for the first time in the entire history of heavyweight boxing.

The question could quite easily be “could Superheavyweights have been a factor without PEDs/ changes in sports science” rather than without PEDs would Evander Holyfield have been successful in the heavyweight division” since at any previous time 190 would have been good enough for any size of giant.

 

No, the roids enabled him to fight at heavy,

 

Don Turner really knows his stuff.

 

What if the roids enabled heavyweights to become Superheavyweights?

For years, decades even, 190 was big enough for the best world level fighters to dominate challengers of any size. Giants were historically cannon fodder for the best champions.

curiously all of the effects that had previously prevented multiple giants from succeeding as dominant champions began to disappear.

As well as this heavyweights predominantly began to become heavier for their height than all medical charts generally recommend. This was also another new And curious phenomenon unique from this decade forward. It was unprecedented.

 

We're talking Holyfield, do you think a 195 Evander would ever beat Riddick Bowe? I don't. Bert Cooper had him wobbled at what 215? Roids add power, look what Marquez did to Manny with roids. At 195 pounds he loses that war with Dokes. He still might have outboxed a 42 yr old Holmes but George? don't know.

 

Imagine if a part of what made Riddick Bowe Was down to the era he fought In? What if he could only be that good when he fought?

We did not see 6’5” men able to do what he did and there were plenty around previously.

This might conceivably mean in another era Riddick might be as genetically programmed (or prone) to hit a wall after 5 fast rounds as men of his size often were. He might never have been anything more than a gangly guy with thin arms and a long neck had he only trained under traditional methods. Bowe deliberately retained weight yet was able to train and develop without this being any kind of hindrance. Again, a new phenomenon in championship boxing.

And what about Dokes? Do you remember how small he was until he filled out? His career stalled for years after the Coetzee fight then he had a curious renascence. In another era he and Evander could have fought each other at 190. Did you ever see how small Dokes looked in the ring with Ali?

 

Not entirely.

He was a great cruiser weight and a very great HW as well.

I'm not a huge Evander fan, but he's inside any reasonable top 20 HW list and so that makes him a very great HW.

I'm not sure he would have done enough without the pharmaceutical enhancement to crack that very top level at HW.

A more natural Evander could well have been dealt with fairly quickly by giants like Lewis and Bowe, and I think Tyson might have had less trouble with the 'clean' Holy.

And it's on those bouts that his HW greatness mostly rests.