Without the questionable stoppage

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Caper, Jun 19, 2017.


Who shows true grit?

Poll closed Aug 18, 2017.
  1. Sergey recovers and makes a champions run

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  2. Andre finishes what he started in the 8th

    79.2%
  1. BCS8

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    I'm guessing the referee thought it was a legitimate body shot. Still think he could have gotten the benefit of at least a count then.

    I really hate soft stoppages, and I bet fighters do too. You train 3 months and have a ref stop a championship fight the moment there's some difficulty? GTFOH.
     
  2. Pretty Boy Floyd

    Pretty Boy Floyd Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There was always going to be only one ending Kovalev Glass Balls,Glass Chin and Glass heart was getting knocked the F out.
     
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  3. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Ward loved that stoppage. Did you see the huge grin of relief plastered across his face in his post fight interview with Max?
     
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  4. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    I still don't see the exact similarities but if its worth anything I wouldn't have agreed with either stoppage.

    Would you say Sergey was in a more vulnerable state vs Wards state in the 2nd round of the first encounter?
     
  5. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Tensions were extremely high, I'm sure Sergey would have been just as relieved. I found Wards interview to be highly respectful and very professional, I know you think he's vile but what did you think of his closing words with Max?
     
  6. BCS8

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    Yes ... but Ward was also less fresh than he'd been in the 2nd.
     
  7. The Kentucky Cobra

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    Nothing is exact, but yes, neither is good.

    Speaking as an observer, both men were hurt but not vulnerable enough to warrant a stoppage. In both instances we are looking at less than a minute left in the round and both men doing a capable job of defending themselves. Prior to the low blow, Kova's survival tactics were no different or less effective than Ward's in Round 2.
     
  8. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    I think he is disingenuous

    If he was classy he'd have at the very least concede that the stoppage was premature. He was talking to Max as if he had just left and knocked Kovalev flat out on his back laying motionless on floor leaving the ref with no choice but to wave the fight off.
     
  9. renyo

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    No only ledderman had Kov up, everyone else said they didn't agree wth good score.

    If you equate these level athletes as to general behavior then you must not understand the will power that these types of men have. Very good chance Kov comes back even through all the low blows. But hey maybe, probably, definitely Ward throws more after the fact.
     
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  10. Pretty Boy Floyd

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    No mas, That boy didn't want no moe
     
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  11. Caper

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    I personally didn't like Sergey's demeanor in that last round though you could make a case that he was conserving his energy while basically attempting to survive the round.
     
  12. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    I'll watch it again, I never really agree with Ledderman in most cases however I seem to recall Jim or Max had the fight extremely close and so did I. If allowed to start the 9th I would have had the fight 4/4

    Will power can only shoulder energy and conditioning in spurts and that was what Sergey would have to revert to at least for the moments after the 8th. General human behavior that deals with typical signs of exhaust aren't masked because you're a superior athlete, when you're hurt and tired a picture is worth a thousand words, Sergey isn't pardoned from natural human physiology neither is Ward.
     
  13. Rock0052

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    Kovalev's lead built by his early success with the jab and Andre's lack of offense was being eroded away on my card before the knockout.

    Had he survived the round and fight, Ward would've probably still edged it on points for me. And I had Kovalev winning the first time around.

    Maybe a replay of the first bout occurs where Kovalev winning the 10th and 12th on my card gave him a 3 point edge, but I will give Ward the benefit of the doubt here. My card would've probably ended up actually being the 7-5 Ward card that the judges gave him credit for last time around.
     
  14. Caper

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    I think its genuine, remember we sorta interpret things differently which is fine I'm in no position to say you're wrong and I'm right because his post fight reaction could be fabricated though I highly doubt it with the speed, flow and natural delivery of it all.
     
  15. Dfaulds

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    I don't necessarily think Ward stops him. I think Kovalev recovers but Ward closes out the last 4 rounds with ease taking a 116-111 (think round 8 would have been 10-8 if not for the stoppage as Kov was clearly going to take a knee) type victory.