Wizard style

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I never seem to see this description anymore. I may be slightly off, but it's pretty much using small movements to just get away from punches. Benny Leonard was maybe the best known wizard style fighter.

    Not sure what my point is TBH. Other than I wonder why it fell out of use.
     
  2. TBI

    TBI Active Member Full Member

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    Probably because in Leonard's time making people miss and slipping punches was "wizardry"...
    The more common slipping punches with little room became, the less popular the term became I assume.

    Standards change over time and Leonard (and other "wizards") were standouts ahead of their time.
     
  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Sounds a bit like Ali and Walcott

    Any recorded cases of his style being called this? Never even heard of it. And would parrying be considered part of it?
     
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe the phrase became passé when they began referring to Willie Pep as the 'Will o the wisp'. I began seeing it more after that referring to Pastrano and Dupas.
     
  5. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  6. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    Golovkin does this. In slo-mo replays he often JUST slips a punch at the last moment. It may be an effective, energy-saving defence but in full speed it often looks like he got tagged.
     
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  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Important point. It's how many good coaches train fighters to fight now.
     
  8. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    No, it was common. It was more about the type of defence.

    For exampleI saw a paper a while back on a fight between Britton and Lewis, which IIRC, commented they both had good defence, but Lewis's was more flashy, while Britton's was more in the wizard style.
     
  9. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jimmy Wilde was better known in using this style of defense than any other fighter I can recall from 1910s-1920s.
     
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  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Have you ever had a boxing coach show you how to slip punches? The goal is to move as little as necessary.
     
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  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think Locche is pretty much the master of Time and Space in this category.
     
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  12. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    That is a very good point. It is easier to teach that, in my opinion, if you emphasize proper punching technique from the start, then teach slipping as the same as punching. This keeps the fighter in position to punch at all times. I like to use the right hand to the heart under the jab to start teaching this; it is very plain to see that the move you make to slip inside a jab is the exact same as the motion to throw a straight right hand. And that same move sets up the straight left counter to the opponent's jab.

    To make them miss by an inch and counter, you roll your shoulders towards the punch. That kind of got lost in the fallout from the Tyson years when guys started slipping side to side. As often as not that will take you out of range to counter.

    The thing that goes hand in hand with this is not moving the feet more than necessary. All too often you see a guy step out of range, way out of range, so he can't land either. You always look to find the distance where he comes up short and you can make him pay without having to leap at him. Small steps, just inches.
     
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  13. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Never heard of the "Wizard Style", but have always heard and been taught that it is better to make the punch miss by a fraction of an inch than by a foot. The less movement you make slipping the punch, the more the chance that you'll be in a position to counter.
     
  14. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, it's a matter of inches and fractions of inches....Locche vs Fuji is a reference to this.
     
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  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    LOL