Wlad has a chance to improve his standing among UK fans tonight.

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Jul 2, 2011.


  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    I have noticed that the Klitschko's have quite a few detractors in the UK. And when I say detractors, I mean he's hasn't received his due as a top level fighter, and likely hall of fame bound fighter.

    If Klitschko defeats Haye, I think the detractors are going to have avoid a double standard.

    The choices are 1 ) Klitschko is a great fighter and deserves my respect or 2 ) The hype around Haye was premature, and he's nothing but a top 10 contender who climbed the ranks by beating older and more shop worn fighters who lacked aggression and power. It could be a mixture of the two, but if/when Wlad wins, your respect from him will have to go up a notch or two if you still think Haye is a top level fighter. You can't have it both ways by saying Wlad still is not that good, and Haye is/was a top level fighter.

    Haye is in his absolute prime right now.
     
  2. Mr Butt

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    well according to vitali haye is to small and really just a big cruiserweight and not heavy enough to be a true modern heavyweight. so is it just case of wlad beating on a little fighter cause the heavyweight decision is so weak . the klits and thier fans cant have it both ways
     
  3. Mendoza

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    At 212-213 pounds, Haye is the same weight as a prime Ali, Liston, or Holmes. Haye is already bigger than past greats such as Frazier, Marciano, Louis, and Dempsey. If you playing the " natural cruiser weight " card, then Wlad outside of a puncher's chance is simply too big and good for the above names I mentioned. All of the above fighters once fought below 200 pounds. Is that fair about not having it both ways?
     
  4. janitor

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    To be honest, the British fans will probably just saye that Haye was over rated/self hyped.
     
  5. Mr Butt

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    vitali is the one that said yesterday that haye is to small and not really a heavyweight

    my personal view is that wlad will win(even though i hope haye wins) and wlad will be more appreciated when he has retired as will vitali, but there will always be the shadow of a very weak division standing over the legacy of either of the klit brothers
     
  6. Mr Butt

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    haye is very much self hyped
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    This, if you are calling Haye a hypejob you can't come back after the fact and call it a great win :lol:
     
  8. Mendoza

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    The true boxing fans who have the ability to keep patriotism out of the equation might come to this conclusion, but I think many UK detractors will not.

    Personally I think Haye has been hyped more than a Rocky Balboa movie. Ring Magazine, Fight News, and Box Rec have Haye as their #2 or #3 man behind Wlad and Vitali, but to me Haye hasn't earned this spot. Adamek, Helenius, or Povetkin might be better. I am nearly sold on Helenius being the heir apparent 3-4 years from now.

    Having said that, Haye is in his prime. He has top level speed and power. A rank between #2 to #4 today is fair. This is a title unification match. Such events are rare, and there is significant interest in this match. Fighters should receive praise for winning these type of matches.
     
  9. Vantage_West

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    and they also would be small heavyweights then:nod :yep
     
  10. mcvey

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    Thats quite funny coming from Vitali ,remind me again who he is defending against next?:lol:
     
  11. Mr Butt

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    i think haye is the third ranked heavy around today and is the best challenger that wlad would of faced .

    it's a weak division mendoza i cant see any of wlad's challengers beating say a tim witherspoon anywhere near the top of his game either

    holmes would beat both the klits
     
  12. mcvey

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    Typical butt licking post from Wlad's chief arse licker. It's you who can't have it both ways, if Haye is just hype beating him has no merit, and god knows you have been knocking him for months now.:smh:smh:smh:smh:smh

    N.B. I have placed my bet Haye 5th rd 20/1, but I am still happy to take a bet with you at the same odds as the bookie gave me HOW ABOUT IT RECTUM SNIFFER ?
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Vitali is fighting Adamek next, who has beaten better heavyweight punchers, and ranked top ten level opponents not over 35 in the heavyweight division.

    The funny part is as the fight approaches, people are staring to call Haye a blown up cruiser weight. Didn't see much of that in previous threads.
     
  14. Mr Butt

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    thing is mendoza vitali said as much yesterday so klit fans cant really hype the win up to much can they
     
  15. Mendoza

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    I guess you are having selective reading problems again. :patsch Re-read what I wrote, because this has always been my opinion on Haye. Here is what I said in this thread, and have mentioned many times before:

    So as you can see I view Haye as the top #2-4 guy today, who 1 ) has a belt, and 2 ) is in his prime. I expect Wlad to knock Haye out today. As for Haye's historical standing, that will hinge on how he does post Klitschko.