Wlad has become a defensive master... but......

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by swedeone, Aug 7, 2008.


  1. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    After Minto knocked out the KING of Germany Axel Schulz (...boxer), with KLIT sitting ringside, Minto called him out in front of the whole continent...and worldwide for those of us that watched on the web.

    Maybe the fact that Minto got away with it, sort of empowered Haye to stalk WLAD like an exgirlfriend. WLAD needs to stop running from bullies and learn to stand up to his problems. He probably was waiting for Vitali to handle it though.
     
  2. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad's clinching decreases as the fight wears on. Lennox did the same thing and so did Ali and Evander used it more than once. It is smart boxing by using your size, strength, and stamina to wear down your opponent.

    Wlad clinched too much against Peter and that is not in question. But I give him a pass in that fight because it was a dirty fight (from both sides) and at the end, Peter's face looked like he was hit by a bat. Wlad wasn't just clinching, he was also landing and throwing a lot of shots.
     
  3. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad win his fights not only by clinching but by punching his opponent. In the past Wlad did not fight dirty, but with Emanuel Steward in his corner he learned what professional boxing real is. And know he knows something about these tactics and use them when it is necessary.

    And he is the real heavyweight Champion of the world!

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  4. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I believe there were 226 clinches in the Ruiz-Golota fight. Wlad is not even close to Ruiz status.
     
  5. Minto

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    That is, why i like Minto so much. He has heart and he comes to fight.
    If Minto would start clinching he would be stupid. Minto needs to go into the infight, because infighting is his best weapon. And with 5,11 as a HW you have got no other choise then being the brawling aggressor, otherwise you get punished from the outside.

    Minto is the #10 in the WBO right now. Lets wait if he can get the status of a mandatory.
     
  6. swedeone

    swedeone Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This thread kinda went as expected. Some calling me a hater, some actually discussing the topic with an objective point of view. :D

    I agree that many fighters have their own "illegal tactics". It is a referee's job to identify these early in a fight and warn a fighter once or twice, and then begin taking points away. This does not happen near enough in my opinion and marrs many fights.

    As for Wlad, he does hold... excessively in my opinion. BUT... if he can get away with it, then he is a smart fighter. Plain and simple. In the ring on does what they have to do in order to win. It will be very interesting though what will happen when a referee does not allow him to hold as much as he does. What will he do? :think
     
  7. FROST

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    Klitschko is no defensive master, hugging/clinching is not defense. That's why it is 'theoretically' illegal. I know most HWs do it, even some great ones (Ali), and I don't even blame Klitschko for doing it too, but don't say that he's got good defense. Defense is actually his biggest weakness, more even than his mediocre chin. Wlad panics everytime a fighter attacks and gets past his jab, so clinching is maybe the only thing for him to do. Why doesn't the great Emmanuel Steward teach him some counterpunching or at least a decent uppercut (like he teached to Lennox Lewis)? I know that Steward can't turn Wlad into a giant James Toney, but they could work some more on that defense at least...
     
  8. LennoxGOAT

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    What hurts your point is you cannot direct anyone's attention to another fight involving Wlad where there was excessive clinching sans the Peter fight, which pretty much everyone will agree that Wlad clinched too much, but it was a dirty ****ing fight. So your point is weak with no merit. We aren't talking about B-Hop or other fighters who clinch to get to the cards. Wlad has 45 knockouts. Even in the Peter fight where he clinched too much, Peter's face was ****ed up.
     
  9. Shpion

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    I actualy understand certain perspective swedeone coming from. While I do not consider Klitschko to be a defensive master by any means, Bernard Hopkins is called a defensive wizard with tactics such as: clinching, elbowing, hold&hit etc.
     
  10. Suge Green

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    ...because Uncle Manny is doing everything he can to protect WLAD's chin, not just make him a better fighter.

    If you notice all the times he held Peter, he kept turning his head away also...to protect the chin. That combined with Peter brutish style equals a well deserved headache.

    Should they ever rematch, if WLAD does the same thing you should know that all of the "danger of behind the head punching rehtoric" is bs if he just gives his head to Samuel again. How worried about it can a fighter be, if he keeps turning his head away while embracing...???...but I digress...
     
  11. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Sam Peter sucks. He only has 2 KO's in his last 6 fights, he has no skill, and it seems he now has some chin issues himself. Peter is a slow, plodding fighter. If anyone has been matched carefully it is Sam Peter. Look at his KO % since he has stopped being fed Glass Jaw bums like Williams, Sykes, and Julius Long. :patsch
     
  12. LennoxGOAT

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    Not worth discussing. He doesn't get it. His hate (or love) for Wlad has clouded what everyone in the fight game has realized about Peter.
     
  13. Suge Green

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    You can thank the World Boxing Conspiracy for delaying his career, and that bum Maskaev also...he might have impressed you a little more if the corrupt powers in boxing weren't trying to screw him from the moment of his 1st James Toney win.

    ...the next guy he fights gets KO'd.
     
  14. Suge Green

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    If it's not worth discussing, then what are you doing...:oops: :patsch
     
  15. swedeone

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    Two different types of holding/clinching...

    1) Excessive as in the Peter fight.
    2) Defensive "tactic" as in his previous 5 or so fights in which any time his opponent comes at him aggresively and tries to throw a punch, he immediately bear-hugs his opponent.