Wlad Has Now Gone Longer Than Lennox Lewis Ever Did Between Losses

I don't really believe in lucky punches. You throw the punch and whatever happens is a result of that punch being thrown. That doesn't change the fact that it was a grazing punch. Lewis did hit Vitali hard several times. I don't ever recall anyone saying differently. It was a unlucky outcome for Vitali who was clearly beating Lewis at the time of the stoppage. I don't see what angers people so much about this. If it wasn't true... the fight still wouldn't be such a heated topic to this date. Everyone knows what happend in the ring that night.

Vitali was clearly winning.... Lewis was showing his courage and trying to battle back... Vitali was cut by a grazing punch... the fight was stopped on the cut caused by the grazing punch... Vitali clearly wanted to go on and was still fighting just fine at the time of stoppage... (although I am not arguing that it was a bad stoppage that eye was bad)... Lewis retired rather than face Vitali again. Those are just the facts.

We also have to remember that while people love to say that Lewis was "fat and out of shape"... first of all that is complete bull****. Lewis certainly wasn't fat and he was in great condition. There is no way in hell that any person who wasn't in good condition would have weathered that 2nd round that Vitali put on Lewis and come back stronger afterward. That is exactly what conditioning allowed you to do. Second, Lewis had already shown to be a late bloomer and bet at the top of his game. He was 37 then... Vitali is older now still fighting at an extremely high level and Wladimir is 35 in his prime. We have been shown that the bigger heavyweights such as them tend to bloom later on and really peak at those ages.

Also, Vitali wasn't even at this best. Vitali was completely green in big fights like that. His own team said that they noticed such a huge difference in Vitali from the confidence that he gained in that fight that he became twice the fighter afterward. I believe it too... just watch Vitali before and after that fight. His comfort, ring generalship, confidence, punch variation ect... REALLY changed after that fight. I can still remember hearing guys like Tommy Brooks who worked with both Vitali and Wlad before the Lewis fight saying that he felt Vitali needed more time before he should challenge for a title.

In other words... Lewis' big fight experience far outweighed any "youth and conditioning" edge that Vitali supposedly had.

 

KlitschkoooooooooooOOOoOOOOoOOOoOOooOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

 

Wlad doesn't have anyone as good as Ruddock, Holyfield or Vitali on his record. Add to this the superior strength of Lewis's record.

This thread is ****ing ******ed.

 

What?

Are you ****ing mental?!!!

Don't bother posting anymore.

I hate it when people tell others they "havent a clue about boxing" but seriously, your quote isn't even a matter of opinion. It's just plain ****.

 

No.

The facts are, Lewis retired and didn't fight Vitali again.

Whether he retired "rather than" rematching Vitali is your opinion.

That suggests he didn't want to/couldn't beat Vitali in a rematch which is something you simply don't know for sure. Hell, nobody could even be sure that Lewis wouldn't have won that fight without a cuts stoppage.

This is the fact: Lewis TKO6 Vitali

End of story

 

Ruddock? You mean the same Ruddock that got Exposed and knocked out by a bum named David Jaco?
The same Ruddock that couldn't beat tyson in two fights even after Tyson lost to a bum named James Douglas? Do you mean the same Ruddock that was annihilated by one punch from Tommy "HIV" Morrison?

 

The problem with newbies who started watching boxing past 2000 is that they know so little of the past is that they say ridiculous things like this.


First of all Ruddock suffered an asthma attack against Jaco and retired on his stool. He wasn't knocked out or exposed.

Mike Tyson is a HOF fighter who is a top 10 ATG Heavyweight so Ruddock losing to the best fighter in the world is not that big a deal. Tyson losing to Douglas was a one off scenario in which he stepped his game up afterwards.

Tommy Morrison was a big puncher which pretty decent technical skills. It was back and forth action which led to Ruddock being caught by a punch getting up and the ref calling the fight.

Ruddock is the same fighter that Evander Holyfield chose to duck and face Riddick Bowe instead. He's the same fighter Riddick Bowe chose to duck as well which is why he fought Lennox Lewis. He is the same fighter that Vitaly wanted to fight back in 2000 but ended up fighting and losing to Chris Byrd.

It's hard supporting the Klitschko's when posters like you talk utter nonsense.

 

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I don't really believe in lucky punches. You throw the punch and whatever happens is a result of that punch being thrown. That doesn't change the fact that it was a grazing punch.

Lewis hit Vitali repeatedly until his face could take no more.

It was a unlucky outcome for Vitali who was clearly beating Lewis at the time of the stoppage.

In the sense that he was up by two rounds with about 6 rounds left to complete i agree, However its not as if Lewis cut Vitali by fluke or by luck, he cut Vitali by punching him in the face and punching him hard. If Vitali isnt good enough to defend himself from getting cut then its hardly Lewis's fault is it.

Lewis retired rather than face Vitali again. Those are just the facts.

Not facts but your opinion. Lewis had nothing to prove.

We also have to remember that while people love to say that Lewis was "fat and out of shape"...

Career highest weight at about 256lbs if i remember rightly, not fat i must admit but he was hardly in shape.

He was 37 then... Vitali is older now still fighting at an extremely high level and Wladimir is 35 in his prime. We have been shown that the bigger heavyweights such as them tend to bloom later on and really peak at those ages.

He was 37 and not in the best shape of his career, different fighters peak at different times, He'd had a long career fighting guys from a better era of heavyweights.

In other words... Lewis' big fight experience far outweighed any "youth and conditioning" edge that Vitali supposedly had.[/quote]

I disagree, i think by the time the Lewis fight came around for Vitali he was ready for that level of fighter, its a shame both guys took the fight on such short notice.

 

TS is just stating the facts.:yep

why get so pansy?:huh

 

wlad's comp is definitely worse than lewis' IMO. guys like younger golota, tua, 35 year old holy, zelko, young rahman, young mccall (the list goes on) are heads and shoulders as a group above thompson, haye, byrd 1, chambers and the other guys wlad has fought

that said wlad's accomplishment is still top notch

 

Nobody as good as Rudduck? Why do people toss Ruddock in like he was this amazing fighter? Razor was incredibly average with good power. His career was basically hype followed by letdowns. The reason for this was because he simply never was that good. Good win, nothing great... definitely not better than Wlad's best wins.

You guys keep bringing up Holyfield like this was some spectacular win. Holyfield himself was 37... the same age that everyone writes Lewis off at. Yet, Holyfield had already clearly shown signs of decline years before he fought Lewis. Beyond that... that same Holyfield came right out of his fight with Lewis and went life and death and even lost to John Ruiz! Let alone the fact that Chris Byrd then also outboxed Holyfield in a more decisive fashion than Lewis did. The same Chris Byrd that Wlad dominated. Which is also the same Chris Byrd who also put on a boxing clinic on David Tua... who is also considered a huge win of Lewis'.

We really don't even need to discuss the Vitali fight. I wouldn't exactly be bragging about being on the losing end of what actually took place in the ring, winning on a cut from a grazing punch... and then retiring from the sport to avoid fighting Vitali in a rematch. Not exactly something to hang your hat on.

 

Ruddock was a very good fighter in a deep heavyweight division. He was around during Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe & Lewis era. For him not to win a title is largely as a result of having several elites fighting at the same time as him. Had he been in the post 2000s era he'd have a belt. In fact most newbies done't realize this but he was actually getting ducked by the Heavyweight Champions in Holyfield & Bowe. The reason why he fought Lennox Lewis was because neither Holyfield nor Bowe wanted to fight him, they preferred to fight each other because they felt it was a safer option. He was at one time highly regarded but his athleticism, skillset, endurance and power would make him a threat in any era.

He was certainly better than Sam Peter, Lamon Brewster, Haye.

Holyfield came from a string of victories and was still formidable despite his obvious decline. Evidenced by his better performance in the 2nd fight. Holyfield at an advanced age was able to effectively outbox Valuev effectively highlighting the lack of depth in this current era. Lewis at 37 was formidable but lets not pretend he came into tip top shape against Vitaly.

He showed years of decline but would occasionally catch lighting in a bottle against Tyson & Moorer leading to speculation as to whether he can do the same against Lewis.

Byrd beat Holyfield in 2002 when Evander was no longer elite level. He was still Evander but was at that point an average fighter with reflexes that are heavily diminished.

The losing end came when the ref called what had been painfully obvious. Lennox Lewis was going to tear off Vitaly Klitschko's face and permanently disfigure him. Sure he was ahead on points but truthfully it didn't really matter. What's also obvious is that you are giving more credit to the loser of the fight than you are to the winner.

 

Wlad Has Now Gone Longer Than Lennox Lewis Ever Did Between Losses.....and the heavy weight division still sucks.