Wlad in a P4P ranking.

I don't think this is even worth discussing.

No offence, P4P is highly subjective.

The fact is Wlad is utterly dominant in his division and many people will feel he earns his spot on those rankings.

If you don't it's fine, it's subjective and everyone is allowed their opinion

 

i think its a tough shout putting somone in the P4P rankings when their biggest advantage is their huge size. I also felt this when Paul Williams was in peoples P4P rankings.

 

Wlad is probably the most unbeatable fighter on the planet right now, Floyd aside.

 

I don't think that's a fair way of assessing things, or even a way that gets you the answer you're looking for.

The biological dynamics (i.e. how quickly a figher can throw a jab, and how concussive that punch is), and therefore the fight dynamics, are different at the different weights. A heavyweight fight isn't a bantamweight fight, just with the fighters increased in size by a certain factor; Wlad isn't a scaled-up Gamboa. The heavyweight game is different to the bantamweight game. Wlad's style would be suicide at a bantamweight, and Gamboa's style would be ineffective at heavyweight.

Therefore to say that Wlad would be 'ineffective at lower weights' is pretty non-sensical, but also has the flip-side that Gamboa would be ineffective at the higher weights. The P4P rankings are (fairly) legit.

 

I suppose its how you define p4p. I probably wouldnt put any current heavy weight in the top 10 because of how bad that division is, which makes it hard to judge just how good the like of Wlad are.

I havent made a p4p listing but if i was I'd consider fighters who have move up through the weight and fighters who dominate STRONG divisions.

There are a couple of guys ie Mayweather and Pac that I think most people would agree on (not the order), but like its already been said - its so subjective, hence making it interesting!

 

'p4p' is 'lb for lb', so when did we pervert the meaning of it so much that we say "pound for pound Wladimir Klitschko is one of the best on the planet"? That sentence is simply not true. The main reasons he is so dominant is because he his much bigger than his opponents.

 

P4P is frustrating. But to be fair, Wlad should be number 1 if you break it down. Unbeatable, owns nearly all of the belts and has done for some time, longevity, skills. Complete package along with Floyd.

 

Like him or not he is ****ing good.

 

It's hard to place Heavyweights in a P4P list, normally you can compare fighters to other fighter in and around their respected weight division's and come to your own conclusions.

With the Heavyweights they are in a division of their own and you can't do that, the nearest division is Cruiserweight and they are normally competely different type fighters themselves.

Saying that I have Wlad around 9th just because of his sheer dominence and how likely thats going to last.

 

Wlad could still be champion in 20 years time, seriously.

There's nothing that gets anywhere near him.

 

Cba with P4P rankings these days but the way I see it it's way of ranking fighters regardless of weightclass. Now Wlad, as boring as he is, is probably the most dominant champion in the world today. And he's been doing it for years.

What happens these days is someone gets a couple of decent wins and people start talking about them as a top 10 p4p fighter then they lose a fight and get 'exposed' and were supposedly 'overrated' all along. We're too quick to anoint new stars in this sport.

At least Wlad has been consistently dominating his opponents over a number of years. And you can't just say 'oh, it's just cos he's a lanky ****er', there's loads of heavyweights that are as tall as (or even taller than) Wlad but are nowhere near as good. I'm no Klit fan, I hate his fighting style but Wlad's achievments deserve respect.

 

Is this a joke..?

Carl Froch is pound for pound one of the slowest fighters at elite level. Technically he is not on Wladimir Kiltschko's level, also even as a heavyweight Wladimir Kiltsckho has faster hand speed & Foot speed.

Carl Froch is a tough solid fighter, who is good or average at almost everything he does. If he was to move up to CW, with the attitude of being a warrior. He would be sparked out by bigger hitters......."Simple".......there is no substance to Carl Froch technically. He gets by allot at 168, because of his bruit strength and physical toughness.

Pound for pound rankings in general are aload of ****, all opinion. The pound for pound rankings are a popularity contest........

Because lets face it..? David Haye is the best fighter in Britain, he has been undisputed in his division something that Carl Froch has never done, he successfully made the move to heavyweight and became Champion. Which is atomically the most difficult physical challenge in boxing. Haye has been fighting guys who weigh on average 3 stone heavier than himself. David Haye could probably knocked Carl Froch at a catch weight of 190 pounds if he really wanted to.

All this nonsense about Carl Froch is annoying, he is a good middleweight, a very good middleweight fighter.

But he's not the best fighter in the country, and deep down everybody know's this.

I wish Joe Calzaghe would come back and slap the arrogant ****.

If the pound for pound rankings, where estimated by some creditable scoring systems.

Floyd Mayweather and Wladimir Kiltschko are 1 & 2.

Manny Pac should not even be in the top-5.

But it's a ****ing gay ass popularity contest, for wankers on forums.

 

i agree with alomost all of that post especially the calzaghe bit but wlad is no wat p4p number 2 in the world.yes he has great technique for a heavyweight but still would be nowhere near as effective is he didnt have his height and weight advantage.flloyd is undisputed number one for the titles hes won in diffrent weight classes and still remained undefeated.the next few spots could be bebtween a few fighters but wlad would not be top 5 imo