Wlad in the era of Ali,Foreman,Frazier...still the best?

He matches up best with Norton of those mentioned.

Foreman is the worst. GF steamrolls him.

Ali kills him in a more protracted fashion.

With Frazier he has some sort of chance purely becuase of the size differential.

 

You're kidding?

 

OK then so WALDO has the tools to beat any heavyweight in history, except for Ross the Boss and Corrie Sanders, and he evidently only has the tools to go 1-1 with Lamon Brewster.

Oh and he was scared to go for a KO against Ibragimov but he'd KO Ali and Foreman :rofl :rofl :rofl

I swear some of these ******s don't realise just how amusing they are.

 

I would favor Wladimir over Foreman and Frazier but Ali out boxes him and maybe even knocks him out.

Frazier would be directly in front of Wladimir and is a very slow starter. Wladimir would stop him early and find it easy to land the right hand. Klitschko would tie him easily as he got on the inside, which would offset Frazier's game. Klitschko is the much bigger and taller man. It would look similar to Foreman/Frazier but possibly worse

Foreman gassed out in the middle rounds and a bigger fighter (not by much) that has better pure boxing ability and can match him in power would be hell for him. Now if Foreman caught Klitschko, then best believe that it would be lights out. But thats a big IF, as Foreman was robotic and has always struggled with pure boxers.

Now Sonny Liston on the other hand would be a stylistic nightmare for Wladimir. I think that it would only be a matter of time until he caught up with Klitschko and knocked him out. If Klitschk could out box him, then he would win a UD or late stoppage. But he would have to avoid the long left jab and the big right hand would put Wladimir to sleep.

 

I think a better question would be how would Igor Vitshotsky had done if he had been allowed to fight professionally during the early-70's. He was dominating amatuer boxing during that period of time. he knocked out the great Telphilio Stevenson among others. Wlad is a specimen but he does not have the rawboned toughness of his brother let alone men like Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Quarry, etc. Let's keep him in this era where he belongs IMO.

 

Brooklyn1550 said it best:

Wlad could compete in any era and he'd be a tough fight for anybody.

All this talk of steamrolling, killing, quick KO's, etc. is nothing more than bull****.

 

No one knows for crtain..I've seen alot of posters be just as wrong about todays' results as they would about today vs past boxers....
Who knows?? NO one

 

Fair post :good

Maybe, but what Ali could do vs smaller men he could not do vs Wlad. Do you think Ali beats LL too?

Agree.

If 213# J Young could decision GF, so could Wlad.

Liston had a bit of a hard time with CW Eddie Machen. EM was a good boxer, but certainly not iron jawed. Fellow CW Ingo stopped Eddie in 1 in late 50s. Maybe Sonny had an off nite... but I don't see Wlad being so intimidated by SL. The entire 60s/70s is overrated. Below is a post (somewhat out of place) I made in a main page article reply. It fits in here.

t-bone, I hit the sack and did not see your responses to my post re Ali's style contrasted to LL/Wlad until recently. And of course Dreday (aka ???) said he did not even want to respond to my post - damn I'll have to stop posting on ESB again because of that ! :roll: t-bone I like & agree with many of your posts - not all, but many. Look if irrc you're a young guy and also fight. You're knowledgeable but I'm older than you and have seen all these HWs from the 60s (when I was a kid) to date when you were a twinkle in your dads & moms eyes. They showed it on the regular idiot box. I have access to YouTube and all the rest too. Some years ago an ESBer made one of the best observations re Ali. That his worshippers married the very fast (barely 200#) 1960s Ali with the somewhat heavier Ali of the 1970s that sat down on his punches more. Presto, a nearly unbeatable HW - even by todays bigger HWs. Sorry, that Ali NEVER existed. Some of Ali's biggest wins in the 60s/early 70s were vs the Patersons & Quarrys. Now those 2 would be top CWs today, but could not hang (too often) with todays HWs. I can play the comparison games all day long too. I got tired of it and stopped posting for about 3 months. Here's some examples: Foreman went life & death w/Ron Lyle, who lost to Quarry. Respect to JQ (and Floyd P etc) but Jerry would get blown out of the ring by LL, K bros, and other big HWs. The Acorn is another one people hype. I loved Shavers fights, but Earnie didn't have the best stamina and had a glass jaw (another JQ victim). Yet a fading ES gave Ali a hell of a fight - as did Lyle. Frazier was another crowd pleaser, but in Joe's prime he was about 205 - and a slow starter. JF is one of those fighters that if he came along today, he'd be a very small HW or would have to be drained to fight at CW. TODAY he may have a hard time winning a CW or HW strap. Most of these 70s HWs were bascially a US club plus some weak to fair West Euros or S Americans. The EAST Euros and even Africans were NOT in the picture. They are now, and who are we talking about - Wlad, Peter, Ruslan, Valuev...

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some fans just have their panties in knots over this. It just makes Mericans look like bad sports :| I still say LL, K bros could easily beat most prior HWs. So Dreday tell me 'bout the HWs, tell me 2+2=5. Hey here's a good one - marry Wlads all around athleticism, jab, right + Vitalis chin and mean streak - UNBEATABLE ! But that fighter does not exist anymore than the Ali - or other previous HW - myths.

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In 70s Wlad would be #2, maybe #1. Lewis would be #1 Many will disagree - I could care less. Most ppl are :? about more important issues... don't know what's in store for them in Merica - what's happening right now. :think

 

..but..

That's about it for me. With his size, power and skill combined he could be a threat that neither of them have experienced before. His chin and heart could be his disadvantage to all of them on the other hand.

BTW It's more likely to me that healthy Vitali could dominate that era.

 

Goerge said that about Goofy Whittaker as well

 

no,he'd beat joe due to size,ali schools him,foreman starches him in 4

 

Hmm so you're comparing Goofy to Wlad :nut
Reality check. Wlad easily beat the guy that beat Goofy :rofl

Got anotha "argument". You're contrast and compare skills need more than some fine tuning :-(

 

Ron lyle would have his ass.......Foreman would put him in a Coma, Ali KO inside 8. Young Decision, Norton toss up. Frazier Vlad playing it safe maybe but if Smoke lands a hook its over.

 

I think Wlad's athleticism and physical presence would be the only advantage over any of those boxers mentioned. Would a Klitschko born in the fifties have stood a chance against Ali et al? No! Would an Ali/Foreman/Frazier born in the eighties dominate the division now? Yes.

 

That's called cherry-picking !

Wlad could decision any boxer who ever lived and he could KO any boxer that ever laced up gloves. So could Jimmy Young.

The key word here is COULD.

The better question is: What would PROBABLY happen in these unknowable matches ?

By your reasoning, If Ross purity could KO Wlad then so could Larry Donald and Kirk Johnson. They could on a given night but so what ?

Foreman (1973 version) would PROBABLY annhialate Wlad. He had a much better chin and more power, if somewhat less skill. Even at the psychological level, this is all wrong for Wlad. Big George wins this one during the staredown..

Lennox/George is an interesting pick'em fight between two top five ATGs.

I'm currently a fan of both Klitschkos, but some of the **** you're spouting is frankly embarrassing !

It's very probable that Napoleon and Julius Caesar were myths too. I wasn't around then and never saw them, only in history books !