Wlad in the era of Ali,Foreman,Frazier...still the best?

Foreman would have broken Wlad.
Ali gives a good fight.
Wlad beats Fraizer.

 

I agree with most of your post, but as far as Peter not proving he has a chin, he took solid shots from a huge puncher in Wlad and never went down, he did go down against an early round powerful puncher in Mccline, but was able to make it through to the end, also walked through most of a good puncher in Maskaev's, punches.

 

Styles.....

Swarmers and punchers often take punches to land theres. It's a tactical strategy and certainly not stupid. It has nothing to do with being good enough or not. I could say the inverse. A boxer avoids punches because he knows he can't take them and win. That is ludicrous to say in general. Hopkins avoids punches and can take a helluva shot. Cotto takes punches to land his but has shown ability to avoid punches when he so chooses (it effects his offense though)

 

Peter was also wobbled horribly against Wlad when he teed off on him. McCline is not a big puncher. 38 wins and only 23 KO's for a man his size? And Maskaev stunned him too.....his chin is good, but not nearly as good as Foreman's. Look at the punchers he has been in with.

 

Lewis did go toe to toe with good powerful fighters and won, watch the Briggs, Mercer, Bruno, and Vitali fights, he took a good deal of punishment from all of them and was able to come back and knockout or TKO 3 out of 4 of them, and come out with the close decision win over Mercer. Wlad panics when the going gets tough, he's only good when he's doing the punching, but when the tables are turned, 9 times out of 10, he will lose and more and likely it will be by knockout.

 

I agree with you, though the younger Foreman did gas out alot, and was dropped just as many times as Peter. I will have to agree, Foreman 87-97 had a granite chin.

 

Those guys were too relentless and didn't care about size or speed ... they took your best shot and kept coming.

I doubt it highly he's the champ and back then there was only one belt (NYAC Championship/HW championship)

 

..and you see that in older ages (when you're 50s and speak like 85 years old man). Most boxers try to avoid been hit in every situation..Ali was master boxer and not go "toe to toe" in anyone unless fighter was that good he must do that, or he was joking.

Hit, but not been hit..

 

LOL!!:rofl

 

All boxers try to avoid being hit. But some will sacrafice offense to do so, boxers often do, and swarmers won't, neither will punchers. They will move their heads and keep their hands up, but if you hit them, that means they are generally close enough to hit you. It is part of their style. It has nothing to do with older era's or how good they are.

That saying doesn't prove you are better than other fighters who don't subscribe to it. Or are you saying that Henry Armstrong wasn't a great fighter. Or Chavez, Hagler, etc. They could avoid being hit, but often would take a punch to land their own. They were not defensive fighters. It's called styles, and one doesn't make you better than an another.

 

WO!!! I had no idea that people still cared about the heavyweight division. ALI, LENNOX, The last of the great heavyweights.

 

Young Foreman was dropped due to being tired though....Peter was dropped early in the McCline fight, and McCline isn't the puncher that Foreman faced IMO. Taking shots from Lyle is impressive. Moorer, Briggs, later on....I don't think Peter stands in front of Lyle and survives. But that's just me.

 

Hmm...best boxers in my mind Ali,wlad, Leonard and Mayweather..you can be good even that you take shots, but mostly recognized master like above are not sluggers..ps. Hagler was great

 

Mccline does have early round power, it's only later when he gasses out does he lose the big punch, he floored Brock, Briggs, Bryd, Grant, and Peter all early in fights, all by practically one punch I believe, he just didnt have the stamina to follow up on them.

Lyle was a huge puncher, but I think Wlad is comparable in power, and Peter went all 12 with him, though Lyle did land more on Foreman than Wlad did on Peter. I think young Foreman had a comparable chin to Peter's, the 87-97 version of Foreman had a granite chin that was better than Peter's is now.

 

So what about Duran, Armstrong, Morales, and guys like that?