Wlad in the era of Ali,Foreman,Frazier...still the best?

Hilarious threadf title. Wlad would lose to all in very brutal fashion.

 

Wlad has the talent, size and boxing skills to beat any of the guys listed.

It's hard to imagine any of them outboxing Wlad due to his tremendous jab and overall arsenal. He will always be susceptible to big punchers, but getting outboxed, that doesn't seem too likely.

 

Don't know where you got those production figures. OK, I'll take it as a given that the SU just edged Germany in that category. It wasn't until mid '44 that the WA landed in West Europe; and they were bottled up in Italy. The Axis still had most of their armed forces fighting the Red Army. If Germany had near equal armor production, then why were they being pushed back all along the EF? Besides factors like AH should have listened to FM like Manstein? In the Bagration operation, the Soviets steam rolled and virtually destroyed AGC. This is off the top of my head, but everything I've read says that Germany was heavily outnumbered in guns, armor, and aircraft by that time of the war.

True about Stalin. The bizarre Nazi leadership cost Germany a limited victory in the East - something they needed to establish an economic base to ward off the WA. Yes, in many ways Germany had the most inovative designs in weaponry, but I beg to differ. Any casual EF student knows that in terms of quality and quantity, the Red Army had the best tank fleet in the world. They produced apprx 50,000 T-34s of all models, the KV series, and later the IS series of heavy tanks. Germany built about 5500 Panthers and less than 2000 Tigers of all types. Those production figures you give for Germany must have included many PzIVs. Once the SU learned better tactics and operations, they started handily beating Germany.

For the Axis or SU? An expert such as yourself knows the hell the Ukranians received from the Soviets prior to WW2 - little things like starvation. Anyway I thought it was an inappropriate comment by you - a cheap shot. Leave that to the other loons on here. Funny, your so pro Teuton but rag on the Ukranians, whose fighters are very popular in Germany :huh

I can make a reverse chronological argument that since Germany has never had a serious HW contender, that their WW2 performance was overrated Of course that would be a cheap shot and a weak analogy - but posters on here do it all the time :yep

 

Don't have the interest to rebut all your above claims. It's the same ol' ESB - worshipping the American HWs :tired Oh, I'm very familiar with the concept of probability - most likely more than you :-( I won't go into details but I'm in the statistics bidness. What are you - a math professor :rofl

I have quite the sarcastic sense of humor, as anyone who really knows me will agree.

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I don't think I made any outlandish claims. We modestly disagree about where the K bros rank. You mentioned Suge White - that he called you a Klit-ite. Suge if a top ranked ESB K bros hater. For some reason he feels very insecure that East Euros are dominating the HW scen :yep If you stated that the K bros are good, Suge would say you're a K bro fanatic. Someone w/your debating skills and logical prowess can come up with a better example than that :roll:

Also in my long post, you didn't address any of my comparisons, you just dismissed them as "cherry picking". Any moron can argue like that. You can label any comps as cherry picking. I'm not about to waste my time writing an in depth analysis (paper) about Wlad or any other modern HW vs the 70s HWs. It's an obvious conclusion, and it wouldn't change any of the intellectuals (sarcastic enough for ya?) view here anyway. So I find it strange that even though we don't strongly disagree re the K bros, with all the idiotic posts in this thread (that all the top 70s HWs would easily beat them), you choose to attack my post atsch

 

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I'm not getting into this discussion of the Russian Front but , not to be too nit-picky, I must point out Max Schmeling, Prime Joe Louis' only conqueror.

 

Foreman and Frazier knocks him out.. Ali decisions him easy. He's not in their league..

 

Wlad-Ali (1970-1975) - Ali on close pts or late tko- intagibles heavy on ali's side. Wlad would give Ali lots of trouble early but his chin, toughness, and intelliegence would prove to be too much.

Wlad-Forman - Foreman tko 5 - Wlad hasn't proven enough against murderous punchers. Foreman's sheer aggression would overwhelm Wlad. Foreman would take Wlad's bombs with a few shaky moments but Wlad's cautious style and unwillingness to stand his ground would be his downfall. If Wlad somehow made it past round 6, he'd win but I can't see it right now. Foreman and Tyson are the terrible style matchups for Wlad.

Wlad-Frazier - Early Frazier tko or Wlad late tko - im 51-49 on this. Frazier has a window in the early rounds to get to him but if it goes longer, Wlad's size and constant pushing will wear him out. Combining wlad's size, skills, and speed with Frazier's struggles against big men and his lack of a right hand, i feel today's wlad could wear him down with the jab, size then unloads the right. if it goes past 6, wlad will win. i might lean towards frazier for right now.

Wlad-Norton - Wlad tko 5 - Easiest fight for Wlad. Norton had major problems against big guys who could punch. Wlad has similar vulnerabilities but Wlad's skillset will allow him to land first and end it.

imo, Wlad would beat the rest of the 70s competition including Quarry, Lyle, Shavers, Chuvalo, Young, etc..