Wlad is not a top 20 HW, he has never beaten anyone of significance

It is your prerogative to invest that much time and effort in a debate. It strikes me as a rather pointless exercise given the absurdly low stakes, but have at it. Thus far, though, I have posted most of the sources of any description.

...Which, again, is my point.

I reserve the right to critique your reasoning when you use facts in ways that don't make sense. I'm sure you intend to do the same thing. :good

 

Misleading.

The Mesoamericans built Pyramids, but like I said, the Great Pyramid is twice as tall. Building tall is more complex than building massive.

 

Okay then, two things:

1) The Cholula pyramid was a complicated structure and, as I already mentioned, was also gigantic. It was clearly a sophisticated feat of engineering. The logistics alone for transporting that much stone would have been tricky. You should probably post at least something backing up your contention that the Egyptian pyramids were more difficult to build.

2) So are you conceding that the Egyptians' neighbors could have built pyramids of the same size that the Aztecs built?

 

1) I think it goes without saying that building a stone structure almost 500 feet tall using 2.5 ton blocks is more difficult than building a stone structure of half that height. Lets call a spade a spade.

2) No. You need to provide some examples of the engineering know how of Ancient Egypt's contemporary neighbors.

 

what happened to boxing talk and chat?

 

Half the height and basically twice the width, plus a more complicated structure and a lot more material to quarry, transport, and assemble. If you believe otherwise, feel free to post proof.

So you contend that the Aztecs, Mayans, et al were more advanced engineers than Egypt's contemporary neighbors, even though they hadn't invented the wheel or advanced beyond stone tools?

Anyway, the ziggurats that the Sumerian city-states built displayed a sophisticated knowledge of engineering as well, and they didn't require zillions of laborers and a gigantic, centralized state to build. Here's a picture of one of the average ones:

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Later versions include the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and the 300+ foot tall Ziggurat of Marduk.

Kurigalzu I's reconstruction efforts in Babylon in the early 1300's BC included a gigantic administrative complex, the Walls of Babylon (a multi-layered defensive structure that the Greeks originally considered one of the seven wonders of the world) and another couple ziggurats. See, e.g. Kurigalzu I and the Restoration of Babylon, Iraq, Vol. 58, (1996), pp. 109-121.

Also, unlike the pyramids, these structures performed practical functions as religious centers or defensive structures rather than giant monuments to a Pharaoh's corpse.

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I'll also point out that Babylonian and Mesopotamian mathematics were more sophisticated than Egypt's. See, e.g. Otto Neugbauer, The Exact Sciences in Antiquity;RC Archibald, Babylonian Mathematics; J. Friburg, Methods and Traditions of Babylonian Mathematics; LC Karpinski New Light on Babylonian Mathematics; A. Sachs, Babylonian Mathematical Texts II-III; Compare to Egyptian geometric texts here: http://www.math.tamu.edu/~don.allen/history/egypt/node5.html, and here: http://www.math.tamu.edu/~don.allen/history/egypt/node4.html.

 

Your turn: what makes Egyptian civilization as impressive as its neighbors, who had bronze, chariots, wheels, recurved bows, lamellar armor, and writing before the Egyptians? Can you post a single Egyptian invention that contributed to humanity's development in any way?

 

That went out the window when Nay_Sayer said, "Vitali isn't great because he didn't beat a great fighter, but Lewis is great for beating VItali."

Go figure, the guy is an idiot. He can trade links with you all day, but ultimately has no analytical thinking skills.

 

You can't be serious with this line a reasoning, can you?

Do you honestly believe that a stone structure that is twice as tall using only half the footprint is in any way comparable in an engineering sense to a stone structure with twice the footprint and only half the height?

Please tell me you're kidding...

 

While I agree that Wlad is not a top 20 HW of all-time but it has nothing to do with not beating anyone of significance. I've got to defend Wlad on this for a second. He can only beat who is out there for him to beat. In my opinion to best Heayweight that he has fought is David Haye and he beat him soundly give credit where credit is due. Top 20 all-time for Wlad I say no he's right on the outside looking in but we can't blame him for who's in the division right now.

 

They are still there. Plenty of Black Africans in the South of Egypt.

 

The brown and white people are not indigenous to Egypt. They are foreigners.

 

...You're suggesting that height is basically the only measure of a structure's sophistication, AND that the height of the Great Pyramid is a quantum leap beyond the height of the Aztec pyramids, rather than a marginal development beyond them. Neither of these assertions is self-evidently true.

If you're not an engineer yourself (are you?) then you can certainly post sources comparing the sophistication of these structures, or suggesting that the Cholula pyramid / Pyramid of the Sun are peanuts compared to the Great Pyramid.

You're also free to post sources showing (or suggesting) that the Great Pyramid's construction was orders of magnitude more complicated than the Aztec pyramids -- that the extra height was a massive qualitative difference.

Similarly, you're free to post sources -- any sources -- showing that Egypt's neighbors did not possess the engineering know-how to build a Great Pyramid (or even Aztec-sized pyramids, which would equal the vast majority of Egypt's pyramids anyway), even though they had at least Egypt's mathematical sophistication and had constructed all sorts of impressive stuff.

In fact, you're free to post sources on anything. All I've seen from you for over 10 pages are variations on "You can't be serious, X isn't true!"...usually followed by "Post a source!". You can't simultaneously pull the "common knowledge" card and refuse to give others the same privilege. Although my citations may be sparse compared to your professed ideal, they at least exist.

 

Also, this. Again.

 

From the tomb of Ramses III.

Read 'em and weep.

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